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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 7, 2015 18:10:14 GMT 10
Is there a Aussie born striker that can score ? It is a justifiable question and a huge concern. Rephrasing it ... Are we capable of teaching our players to be goal scorers?
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 7, 2015 18:36:50 GMT 10
Nicky has attracted a lot of admiration and has numerous fans. I don't dislike him ..I just don't rate him as highly as some of his fans. For me ..the game slows down considerably when he has the ball, he likes to show his skill set, i don't believe his shooting is up to the standard of a No. 10, his non dominant foot is severely below par and of no threat to the opposition, his short passing game is good / long passing game - not to the standard of a No. 10. (good strikers of the ball tend to have good long passing and good crossing skills also - he doesn't have this), Nicky has always suffered with the physical pace of the game and for me his technical strengths do not overcome his physical deficiencies. South Americans have always loved the skill aspects - Coever did too. But Tarzan I think the isolation/wholistic concept has it's flaws and Australia needs to be very careful about this. Smeltz and Janko I think are good players - I have seen them play at the ground several times of late. The speed with which they offer a reference point is too slow for me, combination play is not as developed as it should and as a consequence Sydney dominate possession but have difficulty threatening. Ibini has been in the system for several years now. He's naturally very athletic and unfortunately I don't see any expansion of his repertoire over the last years. I also think he takes too long with his decision making. If you combine indecision with a limited skill set / option capacity you get a player that is predictable. Predictability reduces effectiveness. I think with the right coaching he'd make a hell of a fullback Agree. Listening to the commentators re Ibini is a worry......they think he is fantastic simply because he's fast. Is that the extent of local knowledge of football? Give me the Adelaide players (ie the internationals) any day as a template to follow for developing Australian footballers. Forget the Ibini, Rukavytsa ( how one footed is this guy....spent all game last night playing with the outside of the right foot?).....Is Adelaides Mabil another one? Examples of players that have not been developed but rather have tons of natural ability?? re Isolated/holistic I have no doubt it's not one or the other....the right balance is important. In fact from what I see we could do with a bit more isolated. Tarzan I agree about the commentators but really the responsibility lies with the clubs and the demands they impose on their coaches for the betterment of their staff members(players) and club. Many occupations insist on continuous improvement, surely directors/board members should insist on this from appointed staff? Mabil could be another Ibini but it's early days and I think from snippets I've seen in his behaviour, it might be happening. Craig Goodwin on the other side is another. He is more of a concern because he's been around for a while now, I think he's 23ish. He's a good player and the variation would help his game. Kosta Barbarousis is another. Gersbach for Sydney - again he's got time on his side but a deficiency like that could seriously impede his maturation into something spectacular. This kid is top shelf talent and I'm a little disappointed he wasn't included in the AFC Australia Squad. Corey Gamiero. Kofi Denning - remember him. Brett Emerton - there's a lot of him in Ibini. He was eventually made aware of it and worked at it but I think the way he looked at a game was formed by then. A real shame because he had buckets of natural ability and physical presence just way too predictable. This is why it's important that they get it young. It's never easy and it gets harder and harder later on.
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Post by stepover on Jan 8, 2015 18:26:02 GMT 10
Nicky Carle has always looked like a Coerver kid to me .....knows all the ball tricks but not when to utilise them....and can't play football. Is he the model example of isolated v holistic approach to training? Yeah I know he did play in the EPL but.... Ibini....fast but no idea what to do when he gets the ball other than run straight ahead Smeltz...over the hill Janko .....for a 9 he sure has trouble scoring goals Nicky has attracted a lot of admiration and has numerous fans. I don't dislike him ..I just don't rate him as highly as some of his fans. For me ..the game slows down considerably when he has the ball, he likes to show his skill set, i don't believe his shooting is up to the standard of a No. 10, his non dominant foot is severely below par and of no threat to the opposition, his short passing game is good / long passing game - not to the standard of a No. 10. (good strikers of the ball tend to have good long passing and good crossing skills also - he doesn't have this), Nicky has always suffered with the physical pace of the game and for me his technical strengths do not overcome his physical deficiencies. South Americans have always loved the skill aspects - Coever did too. But Tarzan I think the isolation/wholistic concept has it's flaws and Australia needs to be very careful about this. Smeltz and Janko I think are good players - I have seen them play at the ground several times of late. The speed with which they offer a reference point is too slow for me, combination play is not as developed as it should and as a consequence Sydney dominate possession but have difficulty threatening. Ibini has been in the system for several years now. He's naturally very athletic and unfortunately I don't see any expansion of his repertoire over the last years. I also think he takes too long with his decision making. If you combine indecision with a limited skill set / option capacity you get a player that is predictable. Predictability reduces effectiveness. I think with the right coaching he'd make a hell of a fullback Ibinii - Imagine how fast he would be if he actually ran?
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Post by tarzan on Jan 8, 2015 18:47:11 GMT 10
Is there a Aussie born striker that can score ? It is a justifiable question and a huge concern. Rephrasing it ... Are we capable of teaching our players to be goal scorers? What proportion of youth coaching/training time is spent on scoring goals and the front third?
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 8, 2015 19:15:16 GMT 10
It is a justifiable question and a huge concern. Rephrasing it ... Are we capable of teaching our players to be goal scorers? What proportion of youth coaching/training time is spent on scoring goals and the front third? Any team that scores on average 2 goals a game is, in most competitions around the world, 90% of the time in the top 3-4 teams in their competition. So Tarzan it could be also ... How much(as a percentage of your training time) should you dedicate to it? (Exam technique?) Further distorting this .... which requires more time to master? Defending or attacking / goal scoring? Do kids enjoy scoring, dribbling, one v ones or mastering the 4-2-3-1? FIFA tech reports say 'individual skill and game breakers have a disproportionate impact on games at WCs'
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 8, 2015 21:40:02 GMT 10
If we look at Australia's performance at the Brazil WC. Their lead-in games revealed considerable disunity in the way they played as a team. I think and I'm not the only one, there was genuine concern given the level of opponent we were to encounter. In the end the team exhibited considerable cohesion and structure in the way they played. Sure there was some lamentable errors but, on the whole they performed better than their previous games indicated and better than a lot of people expected. That extra level of finesse, diversity and technical ability in key moments cost us too. My point is that team structure and cohesion can be improved with motivation, attentiveness and dedication to the cause in a very brief period- Ange and the squad made huge improvements. Technical prowess takes dedication and discipline to develop the finesse and diversity at the speeds required at the higher levels. It needs to be nurtured and encouraged in all players from a very young age. and continuosly re-inforced and expanded on.
The curriculum is bang on the money - we are far too competitive from far too young an age. There is also far too much effort dedicated to cherry picking rather than coaching and developing players. Technical deficiencies create inefficiencies and limitations on how players interact and options they can exercise within the context of a game.These deficiencies are not always evident to many in younger ages but as the game intensifies they become more obvious. It is much, much harder to overcome these deficiencies when you are older. It's hard to find the time, it takes time before it's to the level of being executed with the precision and speed required at more senior levels.
What I think is one of the curriculum's flaws is that it doesn't address this with the detail required. It also fails to emphasise with enough conviction how important this is.
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 9, 2015 13:48:38 GMT 10
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFc_0SqygMwThis is a link to Del Piero Top 10 goals at SFC 2012/13. I think it ties in to things discussed recently. Ignore the first - #10. Check out the number scored with his left foot and the speed /swing he generates with both feet (inside and outside swing). The #2 ranked - I was there at the ground - Jets Fans behind the goal were taunting him to shoot. The #1 ranked goal was scored 5 days after Gareth Bale scored his 'Amazing goal' in the final minutes at West Ham. 25.2.13. Check it out out also.....identical situation. Del Piero age 39 non-dominant foot. Bale 25 - dominant foot. The fascination and adoration Bale's goal received was remarkable. I don't know who compiled this piece - it comes from ADP Tv but I'm chuffed it got the #1 because it was better than Bale's and we in the A-League were privileged to see a goal of that calibre.
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Post by tarzan on Jan 9, 2015 15:07:15 GMT 10
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFc_0SqygMwThis is a link to Del Piero Top 10 goals at SFC 2012/13. I think it ties in to things discussed recently. Ignore the first - #10. Check out the number scored with his left foot and the speed /swing he generates with both feet (inside and outside swing). The #2 ranked - I was there at the ground - Jets Fans behind the goal were taunting him to shoot. The #1 ranked goal was scored 5 days after Gareth Bale scored his 'Amazing goal' in the final minutes at West Ham. 25.2.13. Check it out out also.....identical situation. Del Piero age 39 non-dominant foot. Bale 25 - dominant foot. The fascination and adoration Bale's goal received was remarkable. I don't know who compiled this piece - it comes from ADP Tv but I'm chuffed it got the #1 because it was better than Bale's and we in the A-League were privileged to see a goal of that calibre. How quickly we forget! At half pace he still made a lot of local defenders look very poor.
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Post by martintyler on Jan 9, 2015 15:11:51 GMT 10
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFc_0SqygMwThis is a link to Del Piero Top 10 goals at SFC 2012/13. I think it ties in to things discussed recently. Ignore the first - #10. Check out the number scored with his left foot and the speed /swing he generates with both feet (inside and outside swing). The #2 ranked - I was there at the ground - Jets Fans behind the goal were taunting him to shoot. The #1 ranked goal was scored 5 days after Gareth Bale scored his 'Amazing goal' in the final minutes at West Ham. 25.2.13. Check it out out also.....identical situation. Del Piero age 39 non-dominant foot. Bale 25 - dominant foot. The fascination and adoration Bale's goal received was remarkable. I don't know who compiled this piece - it comes from ADP Tv but I'm chuffed it got the #1 because it was better than Bale's and we in the A-League were privileged to see a goal of that calibre. Good as it was, you have to consider he was playing against an A League defence and not EPL !!!
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 9, 2015 17:03:41 GMT 10
MT fair call. I like it a lot though.
Please this wasn't meant to be an ADP 'lovefest' but more - this is what 'Worlds best Practise" looks like. This is what our players need to aim for. As a football family we need to do the right thing by the younger players and help them strive for this level of expertise - even if it starts only in the A-League. Because if you can't do it in the A-League you can't do it anywhere.
Posts above rightly point out the serious deficiencies in the local game when it comes to scoring goals. Is goal scoring suffering as a consequence of the possession obsession?
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 9, 2015 17:46:29 GMT 10
The most disappointing thing I don't like about any of our strikers is their lack of knowledge on when to shoot, they just dance around instead of pulling the trigger. They also lack real power and accuracy when it matters.
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Post by Stevie G on Jan 9, 2015 22:03:47 GMT 10
The most disappointing thing I don't like about any of our strikers is their lack of knowledge on when to shoot, they just dance around instead of pulling the trigger. They also lack real power and accuracy when it matters. My wife says the same thing....
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 10, 2015 15:08:09 GMT 10
Steve G,
I know !
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Post by martintyler on Jan 10, 2015 17:55:51 GMT 10
His wife says that to you too?.....
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 10, 2015 18:30:43 GMT 10
The whole team !
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