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Post by futbolguy on Jan 11, 2015 7:55:35 GMT 10
Do you think the problems with local quality is due to the lack of on-field experience by our top team players (compared to what a european or south american would play and train before they got to the top)? Is it the quality of coaching right from youth levels? Is it worsened by the lack of a promotion relegation system? Top tier teams should be worthy of playing there, not just there because they bought a franchise ... Premier league should be real elite level football, matching A-league for quality but having seen plenty of reps games in the last few years they are more like glorified park teams, only made elite by their ego's... /end rant I do believe australian football will get better but its a long slow process that will have to start at grass roots level
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 11, 2015 9:49:22 GMT 10
It's also due to the fact that our game is probably ranked third or forth behind other sports in this country. If football was ranked No1 with money pouring in like Rugby League or Union for example, the quality of players would improve dramatically. We have the athletes and our youth is as good as any in the world. If the game keeps improving, things will change.
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Post by tarzan on Jan 11, 2015 12:30:19 GMT 10
Do you think the problems with local quality is due to the lack of on-field experience by our top team players (compared to what a european or south american would play and train before they got to the top)? Is it the quality of coaching right from youth levels? Is it worsened by the lack of a promotion relegation system? Top tier teams should be worthy of playing there, not just there because they bought a franchise ... Premier league should be real elite level football, matching A-league for quality but having seen plenty of reps games in the last few years they are more like glorified park teams, only made elite by their ego's... /end rant I do believe australian football will get better but its a long slow process that will have to start at grass roots level Re relegation....are PL teams ready to step up in terms of facilities and access to funds.....and prepared to lose big dollars each year? Perhaps not?
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 11, 2015 14:49:27 GMT 10
Relegation is long way away for us. Not enough clubs, facilities, crowds and most of all, money. We won't see it in our life time that's for sure.
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 11, 2015 20:30:25 GMT 10
Do you think the problems with local quality is due to the lack of on-field experience by our top team players (compared to what a european or south american would play and train before they got to the top)? Is it the quality of coaching right from youth levels? Is it worsened by the lack of a promotion relegation system? Top tier teams should be worthy of playing there, not just there because they bought a franchise ... Premier league should be real elite level football, matching A-league for quality but having seen plenty of reps games in the last few years they are more like glorified park teams, only made elite by their ego's... /end rant I do believe australian football will get better but its a long slow process that will have to start at grass roots level The situation is unique to Australia. There is no doubt that the code is becoming more popular but it has no where near the money / influence that other football codes enjoy. The structure of our professional game domestically has consequences also - salary cap. Salary cap allows international clubs to cherry pick anyone half decent. Young players inherent rather than earn promotion in many cases. In the big leagues you can't rest you need to earn you place. Also season is too short. eg. ADP joins Juventus 1993 - these are the other strikers at the club R. Baggio, F Ravenelli, G-L. Vialli (These guys all represent their country eventually). !995-6 - Baggio has gone and Vialli too, Christian Vieri joins them as does Zinedine Zidane 1997 Fillipo Inzaghi joins also. By then ADP has cemented his place and the rest is history - 19 years in total but at the outset he had a lot of talent around him threatening to take his spot every week. At Juventus younger kids had to work hard to be as good/better than him. At big clubs players benefit from having generations of knowledgable and talented coaches and ex-players from which to learn and also talented players with which to train. If we look at Brisbane Roar - Ange. Great team great to watch and really raised the bar domestically. He went out on a limb and I think there's a development deficiency in our younger ages and that is the game's fault not the kids' fault. The codes administrators,Clubs, Coaches and parents need to take the blame for this. Coaches want to win and cherry pick kids of parents who want to go to winning teams. Clubs want money so they can blow it on hiring the best of the rest to win games in front of no crowds in competitions with no prize money. We need to figure it out locally ourselves. We cannot expect 'turn key' consultancy to overcome the local deficiencies. Many of them will come with language deficiencies and they will have difficulty translating their expertise.
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 11, 2015 20:41:18 GMT 10
Sorry kids distracted me
Brisbane Roar reset the standard required. Within 18 months the exodus of good players was phenomenal. Matt MacKay, Oar, Zullo, Van Dijk, De Vere,Paartalu.
Imagine what 5 years of that team together would have done for the league domestically! It would have been buzzing.
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 11, 2015 21:48:59 GMT 10
The Brisbane team that Ange coached is the best team that I've seen in the A-League so far. He would have done the same to Melbourne if he stayed. As a player I would have been bitterly disappointed when he took the national job.
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Post by martintyler on Jan 12, 2015 8:12:42 GMT 10
Sorry kids distracted me Brisbane Roar reset the standard required. Within 18 months the exodus of good players was phenomenal. Matt MacKay, Oar, Zullo, Van Dijk, De Vere,Paartalu. Imagine what 5 years of that team together would have done for the league domestically! It would have been buzzing. It would never happen in a salary capped league. Players (or at least their agents) would have demanded more money when their contracts were renewed and Brisbane would have had to look at letting some of their best players go. You only have to look at the Wanderers situation for an example of this.
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Post by kookaburra on Jan 12, 2015 15:39:56 GMT 10
Yeh, I'm devastated!
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Post by tarzan on Jan 12, 2015 15:55:54 GMT 10
Sorry kids distracted me Brisbane Roar reset the standard required. Within 18 months the exodus of good players was phenomenal. Matt MacKay, Oar, Zullo, Van Dijk, De Vere,Paartalu. Imagine what 5 years of that team together would have done for the league domestically! It would have been buzzing. It would never happen in a salary capped league. Players (or at least their agents) would have demanded more money when their contracts were renewed and Brisbane would have had to look at letting some of their best players go. You only have to look at the Wanderers situation for an example of this. They need to speak to Perth Glory...
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Post by offdshoulder on Jan 12, 2015 16:37:54 GMT 10
It would never happen in a salary capped league. Players (or at least their agents) would have demanded more money when their contracts were renewed and Brisbane would have had to look at letting some of their best players go. You only have to look at the Wanderers situation for an example of this. They need to speak to Perth Glory... ...or Sydney F.C. Janko, Brosque, Smeltzz, Ognanovsli, Carle, Antonis, Dimitrijevic, Petkovic, Bojic, Ibini.
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Post by tarzan on Jan 12, 2015 17:33:08 GMT 10
They need to speak to Perth Glory... ...or Sydney F.C. Janko, Brosque, Smeltzz, Ognanovsli, Carle, Antonis, Dimitrijevic, Petkovic, Bojic, Ibini. Ahh there's another of those fast players that can't play football - Bojic. If Jarrod Hayne started playing football I suspect he'd play a lot like Bojic.
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Post by stepover on Jan 12, 2015 19:52:23 GMT 10
...or Sydney F.C. Janko, Brosque, Smeltzz, Ognanovsli, Carle, Antonis, Dimitrijevic, Petkovic, Bojic, Ibini. Ahh there's another of those fast players that can't play football - Bojic. If Jarrod Hayne started playing football I suspect he'd play a lot like Bojic. I think his days in the team are numbered. Hasn't featured for a while and the fact that we've just signed another centre back means that Seb Ryall can go back to the right back position.
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Post by tarzan on Jan 12, 2015 20:19:13 GMT 10
Ahh there's another of those fast players that can't play football - Bojic. If Jarrod Hayne started playing football I suspect he'd play a lot like Bojic. I think his days in the team are numbered. Hasn't featured for a while and the fact that we've just signed another centre back means that Seb Ryall can go back to the right back position. Or perhaps Seb can just go....?
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Post by martintyler on Jan 12, 2015 20:59:53 GMT 10
I heard that Seb was contemplating a code switch with the Sharks......
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