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Post by tarzan on May 31, 2018 20:44:41 GMT 10
Stairway to a virtual heaven...?
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Post by yoda on Sept 12, 2018 17:41:51 GMT 10
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Post by sherlock on Sept 13, 2018 0:46:04 GMT 10
Yoda.. Hard it is perhaps but forward one must go in order to look back at the mistakes one has made... Soccer NSW were one of the first to formalise 'private academies' when they discarded the FREE zone program for the 'pay-for' COERVER Program. They then went about franchising this program and selling it as part of the elite development pathway. I've to laugh that someone justified establishing in-house academies in order to put the money back into football...then mentioned all things except 1st grade players pockets. If FNSW or the FFA brought in a law that all monies paid by junior/youth players registrations were to be spent on junior/youth football then we may make some progress with development. Except the selfish clubs would rort the system by paying 1st graders to coach the junior teams at an elevated price (they don't do that now surely!!) But they have got something right..the review identified that coach education is imperative but there isn't enough good coach educators out there in our communities to achieve this goal. It will be interesting to see where PH & BD take this...perhaps not too far as they understand that upsetting the powerbrokers in the clubs and football world usually results in you seeking employment at Centrelink FC...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 9:45:04 GMT 10
Yoda.. Hard it is perhaps but forward one must go in order to look back at the mistakes one has made... Soccer NSW were one of the first to formalise 'private academies' when they discarded the FREE zone program for the 'pay-for' COERVER Program. They then went about franchising this program and selling it as part of the elite development pathway. I've to laugh that someone justified establishing in-house academies in order to put the money back into football...then mentioned all things except 1st grade players pockets. If FNSW or the FFA brought in a law that all monies paid by junior/youth players registrations were to be spent on junior/youth football then we may make some progress with development. Except the selfish clubs would rort the system by paying 1st graders to coach the junior teams at an elevated price (they don't do that now surely!!) But they have got something right..the review identified that coach education is imperative but there isn't enough good coach educators out there in our communities to achieve this goal. It will be interesting to see where PH & BD take this...perhaps not too far as they understand that upsetting the powerbrokers in the clubs and football world usually results in you seeking employment at Centrelink FC... Spot on....I honestly don't see the relevance or purpose of the review (95 pages), the problem is the use of the word "academy", the free market allows trade and so be it. Otherwise, nothing mentioned on the establishing "professional setup- ie inhouse full time equivalent academies such as the ones all over the world. The HAL are far off the mark, most of which don't have permanent bases to train the youth, yet are accredited under the "star system" ironic. If are to be serious, then all the clubs NPL1 & HAL clubs must demonstrate full support to youth development, the game is not to compete with private enterprise but to produce more national team players as the objective...
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Post by directfk on Sept 13, 2018 13:31:17 GMT 10
Over rated training and cow dung spun by experienced bull crap artists who are sponging of our game and mislead parents.
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Post by grandmasterflash on Sept 14, 2018 10:50:16 GMT 10
As a parent who has boys in the system i found this report quite intriguing. Some parents definitely need to wake up to the fact that overseas tours are merely sporting excursions not trials or scouting opportunities for pro contracts. Again this falls on the gullible parent. I've had my boys at a couple of different academies and at the end of the day i pay based off a service i'm provided. As a consumer i have the right to look at other options if the service isn't up to standard in which i have done. There is good and bad everywhere. What i cannot stand is the sideline parents i hear who talk about academies being a pathway to professional contracts because such and such runs it and played pro blah blah blah. Finally the real ones that nee to get weeded out are the academies who are affiliated to NPL clubs and choose their academy kids over a regular kids trialing regardless of ability and I've seen this first hand and heard one coach tell a parent 'bring him to our academy and hell be picked next season?. I hope this review improves the system at youth level however we are years away from getting there IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 11:09:18 GMT 10
As a parent who has boys in the system i found this report quite intriguing. Some parents definitely need to wake up to the fact that overseas tours are merely sporting excursions not trials or scouting opportunities for pro contracts. Again this falls on the gullible parent. I've had my boys at a couple of different academies and at the end of the day i pay based off a service i'm provided. As a consumer i have the right to look at other options if the service isn't up to standard in which i have done. There is good and bad everywhere. What i cannot stand is the sideline parents i hear who talk about academies being a pathway to professional contracts because such and such runs it and played pro blah blah blah. Finally the real ones that nee to get weeded out are the academies who are affiliated to NPL clubs and choose their academy kids over a regular kids trialing regardless of ability and I've seen this first hand and heard one coach tell a parent 'bring him to our academy and hell be picked next season?. I hope this review improves the system at youth level however we are years away from getting there IMO. This will only change, if NPL Clubs run their own academy (as per overseas clubs) the nurturing of players need to come from within, and bolt on players annually or at the end of the youth age group just before senior contracts ie U18/19+. Thats where this report falls short, its great at saying a new star accreditation process will be issued and lacks the vision and purpose in doing so. All NPL/HAL clubs have had enough time to have set up professional inshouse academies with full time coaches, thats the governance aspect
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 13:05:09 GMT 10
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Post by tarzan on Sept 14, 2018 13:56:15 GMT 10
Review of Academies completed....Tick!😁
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Post by grandmasterflash on Sept 14, 2018 15:22:16 GMT 10
4231,
Well said. Another interesting fact is that we are the only country with a pro league who poach/scout players from NPL clubs (lower leagues) who developed said players then those same HAL clubs play in the same league against the very teams they got scouted from. In most of the countries i know if you are recruited from a lower league team to be at Chelsea academy for arguments sake then they play against the other pro clubs in their own league. i guess this is what happens when we have a 10 team pro league and no national second division etc.
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Post by enmorecat on Sept 14, 2018 17:47:05 GMT 10
This is a topic I am interested in as a consumer, but thus far (about 20pct) of the way in, I am finding it a difficult read. Academies fill a gap in the market which FNSW has opted out of filling pretty much since the introduction of the HAL teams. There has been an attempt to re-enter with TSP, but it seems to have had a mixed reception. The authors can't seem (apologies if they eventually do) to get their head around why the academies exist. If non-HAL clubs could actually earn a proper transfer fee for their players, I am pretty confident clubs would put a lot more effort into development, both for players and coaches. It would also mean that the HAL clubs would have to lift their game, as opposed to the current state where they are viewed in some circles as the only pathway to success.
I am not convinced that the authors' assertion that parents are it as a gateway to a trial or placement elsewhere is true either. Perhaps some are deluded by a persuasive sales pitch, but the fact that not many boys above the age of 13/14 seem to use Academy services suggests that parents work out how good their boys are reasonably quickly. That's no different to parents paying private school fees on anticipation of a better academic outcome. I am yet to hear of a Y12 class producing all doctors, lawyers and engineers. How many children learning a musical instrument at the age of ten are still doing so at 16, oh those evil, moneygrubbing flute teachers...
Given that FNSW appears reluctant to evaluate NPL clubs' activities and progress, why they would be any better at grading an academy I don't know. Let the market decide...
More on this later...
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Post by tarzan on Sept 14, 2018 19:26:51 GMT 10
Agree, except the private schools "stuff", comparing Private Schools to private football academies is well....madness. For the record education is about developing well rounded human beings not ATARS or doctors.
Mmmm so is sport!
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Post by enmorecat on Sept 14, 2018 21:34:08 GMT 10
Agree, except the private schools "stuff", comparing Private Schools to private football academies is well....madness. For the record education is about developing well rounded human beings not ATARS or doctors. Mmmm so is sport! I must work with different private education consumers!
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Post by tarzan on Sept 14, 2018 22:12:16 GMT 10
Agree, except the private schools "stuff", comparing Private Schools to private football academies is well....madness. For the record education is about developing well rounded human beings not ATARS or doctors. Mmmm so is sport! I must work with different private education consumers! Nouveau riche muddying the waters...😁
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Post by sherlock on Sept 15, 2018 10:27:37 GMT 10
This is a topic I am interested in as a consumer, but thus far (about 20pct) of the way in, I am finding it a difficult read. Academies fill a gap in the market which FNSW has opted out of filling pretty much since the introduction of the HAL teams. There has been an attempt to re-enter with TSP, but it seems to have had a mixed reception. The authors can't seem (apologies if they eventually do) to get their head around why the academies exist. If non-HAL clubs could actually earn a proper transfer fee for their players, I am pretty confident clubs would put a lot more effort into development, both for players and coaches. It would also mean that the HAL clubs would have to lift their game, as opposed to the current state where they are viewed in some circles as the only pathway to success. I am not convinced that the authors' assertion that parents are it as a gateway to a trial or placement elsewhere is true either. Perhaps some are deluded by a persuasive sales pitch, but the fact that not many boys above the age of 13/14 seem to use Academy services suggests that parents work out how good their boys are reasonably quickly. That's no different to parents paying private school fees on anticipation of a better academic outcome. I am yet to hear of a Y12 class producing all doctors, lawyers and engineers. How many children learning a musical instrument at the age of ten are still doing so at 16, oh those evil, moneygrubbing flute teachers... Given that FNSW appears reluctant to evaluate NPL clubs' activities and progress, why they would be any better at grading an academy I don't know. Let the market decide... More on this later... FNSW are reluctant because in this country 'the tail wags the dog'...if the dog starts looking smarter than the tail then the dog ends up at Centrelink FC...
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