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Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2018 12:41:45 GMT 10
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Post by directfk on Feb 13, 2018 15:40:39 GMT 10
The game at junior level is too expensive for a start.
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Post by tarzan on Feb 14, 2018 13:12:48 GMT 10
Can I assume that finding out the score in an u9 SAP game is far more interesting than the future of the local game?
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Post by directfk on Feb 14, 2018 15:24:24 GMT 10
Quite a few people on this forum will never watch another game once their little champion gives the game away.
I believe that we have plenty of talent in this country. We also have a lot of high level sports which many possible future quality players are involved with instead of football.
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Post by tarzan on Feb 14, 2018 15:57:41 GMT 10
Quite a few people on this forum will never watch another game once their little champion gives the game away. I believe that we have plenty of talent in this country. We also have a lot of high level sports which many possible future quality players are involved with instead of football. Not an excuse for the way the game is currently being run tho.
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Post by directfk on Feb 14, 2018 21:16:38 GMT 10
Fair enough. I haven't got the answer. I would start with the cost of the game first. Some sort of pathway for the genuinely talented children and try to keep them interested so they stay in our game. I might not start them so young in "rep" football but let them play in their local competitions until 12 or 13yrs old.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2018 10:12:38 GMT 10
Cost of the game is not the issue. Coaches are being paid peanuts and if anything the cost needs to go up. BUT! The issue is the complete and absolute lack of commercial vision of the current board and many clubs. Rather than look to grow the product and seek new sponsorship, the one and only financial model in Aus football, is slug parents of youth players. The A Leagues "BIGGEST and BEST" club got less than 7k to an Asian Championship game the other night. There is absolutely no marketing of the game in mainstream media at all - NONE There is close to zero engagement with the local community at almost all levels of the game. My kids while in primary school would get monthly visits from AFL and NRL clubs. 0 from the A-league My eldest is in a Syd FC affiliated school program. In 2 years, how many times has the team been out to the school - 0 The A-league has been from day 1 and still is, a play thing for a select few. They've managed to set up a model where technically, they aren't making any losses themselves, so really don't give a crap about it other than to say, this is ours. Rant over
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Post by directfk on Feb 16, 2018 16:27:42 GMT 10
Mercurial, all your points are justified. The A-League is all we have. Will the A-league help the game prosper and grow, who knows. Why can't we follow some models from overseas with regards to junior clubs and associations. Surely some of the models they run with must be better than what we have.
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Post by geuriefc on Feb 19, 2018 11:45:26 GMT 10
Mercurial, all your points are justified. The A-League is all we have. Will the A-league help the game prosper and grow, who knows. Why can't we follow some models from overseas with regards to junior clubs and associations. Surely some of the models they run with must be better than what we have. Which overseas system can we model ourselves on? Which other developed nation has a population of 24-25 million scattered across an entire continent? Lets use their model.
As in many things our small population base and huge land mass is a major deterrent to the growth of football equitably in this country.
Rather than look overseas we should perhaps be attempting to model ourselves more along the lines of the most successful national competition in this country. The AFL have low youth reg costs, they have a quality junior curriculum available to all (look up "Auskick") and they have a successful national competition. Why cant we do that? Football is an attractive TV product, why cant we capitalize on that and everything flows from there.
And a heads up, Sydney Swans were shite at community development until the Giants came along, Swans still aren't great but getting better, Giants are great at this.
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Post by devola on Feb 19, 2018 12:10:26 GMT 10
Great discussion but the main obstacle in my opinion remains the fact that we have 4 major codes of sport in this country (to satisfy the 25mln population) whereas the majority of footballing nations have either no competition or maybe one other sport to compete against in in most cases a larger population.
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Post by geuriefc on Feb 19, 2018 13:35:06 GMT 10
Great discussion but the main obstacle in my opinion remains the fact that we have 4 major codes of sport in this country (to satisfy the 25mln population) whereas the majority of footballing nations have either no competition or maybe one other sport to compete against in in most cases a larger population. Football is a "minor" code in the US but their population allows it to be major by comparison with Australia. Yes if we were a football only nation we would be significantly advanced on where we are at now. The other major codes further dilutres our participation/spectating population which exacerbates the scale issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 13:57:27 GMT 10
We are all missing the point, population and other code excuses are just lame. The game is global and doesn’t need 20-30k in stands each week, it NEEDS football leaders, not ex other code administrators
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Post by tarzan on Feb 19, 2018 14:21:10 GMT 10
Lets not forget it is already the most played sport in the country...irrespective of costs, population and all the other chestnuts.
The A-League appears to be the number 1 problem. Not enough money being generated. How do you increase the % of registered players (again the most played sport in the country) into A-League supporters?
Imagine how this dilemma would play out in a typical corporate environment. It's akin to a company that has a massive database of people they know like the underlying product but arent taken by the packaging and so choose not to buy. Not such a huge dilemma for a seasoned corporate guru to address??
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Post by tarzan on Feb 19, 2018 14:22:27 GMT 10
We are all missing the point, population and other code excuses are just lame. The game is global and doesn’t need 20-30k in stands each week, it NEEDS football leaders, not ex other code administrators Great minds 4231....
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Post by directfk on Feb 19, 2018 15:17:06 GMT 10
Of course a smaller population in a country with 3 or 4 major sports which are supported by the media has an affect. If "soccer" received as much saturation and monetary support it would be the stronger and more successful code. How many potential players are lost to AFL, Union and League ? The sport is expensive compared to those 3 codes. I believe rego is free for Rubgy L. I'm not sure about the other codes. Then I haven't mention the cricket either but why anyone would want to play that brain dead sport or actually pay to sit there like a wombat in the burning sun is beyond me.
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