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Post by noballsleft on Jan 1, 2017 11:29:20 GMT 10
I generally trust people when they tell me what their credentials are (coaching credentials) and if the team website advertises them, I'll go with that, but there are a lot of clubs who don't. And *some* (a minority) of the coaches I've talked to have either lied through their teeth about their creds, or learned absolutely nothing during their coaching training. This is based on how poorly they deal with players, how they fail to adapt tactics during a match, and how they fail to structure training sessions to address weakness on game day.
I'm trying to find a place where I can check coaching credentials (and currency of those credentials). For instance, if you put my name in you'd find a 10 year old Youth Coaching certificate and little else. My son's name would show the Skills Acquisition cert, the Senior cert and the registration for Youth and Senior C licence later this year.
We need to hold clubs accountable for the quality of their coaching, and provide an easy way to identify who has what. The quality of football will improve faster if we don't have muppets telling the players to hoof the ball up the pitch and play away games to draw (not win. I kid you not.)
So, anybody have any idea where I can find this info?
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Post by noballsleft on Jan 1, 2017 11:53:07 GMT 10
I should point out that I've met great coaches with minimal credentials, and really crap ones with B licences. Credentials aren't everything. But I have met a few who have claimed C licence levels that I *know* couldn't have done that training.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 22:19:19 GMT 10
You won't have much luck in getting any info out of Tobin and his department. If you know the coach's DOB and email address then you may be surprised how much info you can con your way from the myfootball club phone assistance number.
Always ways round things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 22:49:01 GMT 10
I generally trust people when they tell me what their credentials are (coaching credentials) and if the team website advertises them, I'll go with that, but there are a lot of clubs who don't. And *some* (a minority) of the coaches I've talked to have either lied through their teeth about their creds, or learned absolutely nothing during their coaching training. This is based on how poorly they deal with players, how they fail to adapt tactics during a match, and how they fail to structure training sessions to address weakness on game day. I'm trying to find a place where I can check coaching credentials (and currency of those credentials). For instance, if you put my name in you'd find a 10 year old Youth Coaching certificate and little else. My son's name would show the Skills Acquisition cert, the Senior cert and the registration for Youth and Senior C licence later this year. We need to hold clubs accountable for the quality of their coaching, and provide an easy way to identify who has what. The quality of football will improve faster if we don't have muppets telling the players to hoof the ball up the pitch and play away games to draw (not win. I kid you not.) So, anybody have any idea where I can find this info? [br When coaches are recognised as professionals and paid as professionals and not disrespected, or "coach for love" as clubs think, should be more important issue and question to parents. Especially when parents are told by the clubs that rego fees are going towards coaches, it's a load of bull and deceitful. Even more upsetting is that the administrators don't protect coaches ie genuine ones who love the game and have passion to coach and learn. Good coaches are smart and stay out, not worth the pain.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2017 0:21:03 GMT 10
I generally trust people when they tell me what their credentials are (coaching credentials) and if the team website advertises them, I'll go with that, but there are a lot of clubs who don't. And *some* (a minority) of the coaches I've talked to have either lied through their teeth about their creds, or learned absolutely nothing during their coaching training. This is based on how poorly they deal with players, how they fail to adapt tactics during a match, and how they fail to structure training sessions to address weakness on game day. I'm trying to find a place where I can check coaching credentials (and currency of those credentials). For instance, if you put my name in you'd find a 10 year old Youth Coaching certificate and little else. My son's name would show the Skills Acquisition cert, the Senior cert and the registration for Youth and Senior C licence later this year. We need to hold clubs accountable for the quality of their coaching, and provide an easy way to identify who has what. The quality of football will improve faster if we don't have muppets telling the players to hoof the ball up the pitch and play away games to draw (not win. I kid you not.) So, anybody have any idea where I can find this info? [br When coaches are recognised as professionals and paid as professionals and not disrespected, or "coach for love" as clubs think, should be more important issue and question to parents. Especially when parents are told by the clubs that rego fees are going towards coaches, it's a load of bull and deceitful. Even more upsetting is that the administrators don't protect coaches ie genuine ones who love the game and have passion to coach and learn. Good coaches are smart and stay out, not worth the pain. Unfortunately, many of the coaches stay out of the system because they get paid a lot more money and can run their own business coaching, for some it can be worth 10's of thousand and I would not be surprised is some of these academy coaches get paid in the vicinity of half a million dollars a year for outside coaching
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Post by directfk on Jan 4, 2017 12:09:48 GMT 10
bolso,
$500,000.00
Where do I sign up ? I can spin bull all day for that much !!!
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Post by directfk on Jan 4, 2017 12:16:59 GMT 10
For example,
"your son needs a little more developing" = He is a club player at best but I'll take your hard earned.
"your son needs to develop a better understanding of the game" - He is fast but hasn't got a clue and will never have a clue how to play the game but I'll take your money.
"your son has potential to go all the way in this game" - Some parents believe that the academy coaches are God's and believe every word they say so just keep paying and wait for that day to come.
Please feel free to add to my list.
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Post by poacher on Jan 4, 2017 15:10:48 GMT 10
I generally trust people when they tell me what their credentials are (coaching credentials) and if the team website advertises them, I'll go with that, but there are a lot of clubs who don't. And *some* (a minority) of the coaches I've talked to have either lied through their teeth about their creds, or learned absolutely nothing during their coaching training. This is based on how poorly they deal with players, how they fail to adapt tactics during a match, and how they fail to structure training sessions to address weakness on game day. I'm trying to find a place where I can check coaching credentials (and currency of those credentials). For instance, if you put my name in you'd find a 10 year old Youth Coaching certificate and little else. My son's name would show the Skills Acquisition cert, the Senior cert and the registration for Youth and Senior C licence later this year. We need to hold clubs accountable for the quality of their coaching, and provide an easy way to identify who has what. The quality of football will improve faster if we don't have muppets telling the players to hoof the ball up the pitch and play away games to draw (not win. I kid you not.) So, anybody have any idea where I can find this info? Noba, Which coaching licence have you obtained?
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Post by noballsleft on Jan 4, 2017 15:16:43 GMT 10
An expired grassroots licence. Like I said. Meagre. Have never claimed anything different.
A few years ago, though, my son was coached by a guy who claimed a C licence and didn't have the foggiest idea what to do.
Would have been nice to confirm it. Could have had a kiss instructor.
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Post by noballsleft on Jan 4, 2017 15:17:28 GMT 10
*crap. (Sh!t gets autocorrected to kiss?)
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Post by poacher on Jan 4, 2017 15:23:39 GMT 10
An expired grassroots licence. Like I said. Meagre. Have never claimed anything different. A few years ago, though, my son was coached by a guy who claimed a C licence and didn't have the foggiest idea what to do. Would have been nice to confirm it. Could have had a kiss instructor. Reason I asked is you would be very suprised what the content is of these courses. I have not got my A so can't comment on that one but the others are more about the way you coach rather than what you coach. While doing my C, I was beyond frustrated to what I was watching but I had it confirmed to me that it wasn't about the content. The content comes from the football knowledge and experience of the individual. So put simply, if a coach is not open to learning every day from watching football, analysing football, learning from other coaches etc.. a license really means nothing. You can have gun coaches on an A license and others that have no idea. Same deal with non licensed coaches
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Post by noballsleft on Jan 4, 2017 15:32:08 GMT 10
Good point. Son Is doing his C in Feb/Mar. I'll get his impression when he's finished.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 10:47:16 GMT 10
bolso, $500,000.00 Where do I sign up ? I can spin bull all day for that much !!! I know for a fact that quite a number of academies are doing $500,000 and more per season why would they turn their attention to coaching a youth team and get paid $2000 dollars a year its a numbers game and as much as you can love the game time means money and $2k wont do it for many sad but very true, here is 70% of your problem fix this and watch football explode in Australia from player improvements etc etc, there is no easy fix solution the coaches are just not there at the moment, quality coaching is not spread out correctly.
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Post by tarzan on Jan 5, 2017 20:34:36 GMT 10
bolso, $500,000.00 Where do I sign up ? I can spin bull all day for that much !!! I know for a fact that quite a number of academies are doing $500,000 and more per season why would they turn their attention to coaching a youth team and get paid $2000 dollars a year its a numbers game and as much as you can love the game time means money and $2k wont do it for many sad but very true, here is 70% of your problem fix this and watch football explode in Australia from player improvements etc etc, there is no easy fix solution the coaches are just not there at the moment, quality coaching is not spread out correctly. Bolso, time for a bex and a lie down 😉
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Post by noballsleft on Jan 5, 2017 22:51:44 GMT 10
$500,000 a year? For academy coaching?
BRB, signing up for my C licence Maybe boy-o can help me through it.
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