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Post by sawnoff on Sept 21, 2016 13:55:09 GMT 10
Off the back of the failure of the Olyroos to make the Olympics we now have the Joeys failing at the AFC. Championships. After losing 1-0 to Kyrgystan ( spellcheck ??) they lost 3-2 to Vietnam after leading 2-0. Worth noting that Japan beat Kyrgystan 8-0. No doubt football's version of Pauline Hanson will roll out simplistic comments - it's the curriculums fault. I'd suggest it has a lot more to do with the lack of funding going into football compared to our Asian neighbours and the superior volume of players they have participating in a genuine elite environment. We have about 20 players in such an environment at the AIS. By oseas standards this is laughable. Playing in the YNPL with coaches being paid $3/4K per year can't possibly be conducive to producing world class players...
Just out of curiosity, did you watch the games Tarzan? It is a disappointing result but I think everyone should remember, the boys didn't pick themselves. Coaches/selectors have to be held accountable at some stage. I'm not convinced that "hot-housing" a select few boys in a centralised location is the way to go and it will be interesting to see what happens to the AIS system now.
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Post by tarzan on Sept 21, 2016 13:57:28 GMT 10
And Japan...you think funding hasnt helped?? Uruguay...a cultural thing in a poverty stricken country - plenty of incentive to succeed in sport and plenty of numbers there.
Kyrgizstan....who knows?
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Post by tarzan on Sept 21, 2016 14:01:05 GMT 10
Of course the AIS is a failed model. The intention is to decentralise and have many centres around Australia - 15+. However the wheels of change are slow. Perhaps these results will fast track the changes already flagged.
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Post by enmorecat on Sept 21, 2016 14:34:59 GMT 10
And Japan...you think funding hasnt helped?? Uruguay...a cultural thing in a poverty stricken country - plenty of incentive to succeed in sport and plenty of numbers there. Kyrgizstan....who knows? Maybe countries with less vowels do better...
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Post by tarzan on Sept 21, 2016 14:42:42 GMT 10
And Japan...you think funding hasnt helped?? Uruguay...a cultural thing in a poverty stricken country - plenty of incentive to succeed in sport and plenty of numbers there. Kyrgizstan....who knows? Maybe countries with less vowels do better... Or those with plenty of trees?
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Post by sherlock on Sept 21, 2016 15:55:56 GMT 10
We play in Asia - Hot and humid
We prepare in Canberra - cold and UGLY!
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Post by thommo on Sept 22, 2016 2:43:06 GMT 10
Tarzan you love the curriculum despite results showing rubbish after rubbish results. Robot players being churned out with no flair or point of difference makes this happen. Coaches are forced to follow the clipboard - that will never be a successful formula.
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Post by tarzan on Sept 22, 2016 7:25:24 GMT 10
Tarzan you love the curriculum despite results showing rubbish after rubbish results. Robot players being churned out with no flair or point of difference makes this happen. Coaches are forced to follow the clipboard - that will never be a successful formula. We are at risk of being swamped by Curriculum...thanks Pauline!
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Post by tarzan on Sept 22, 2016 13:17:25 GMT 10
Tarzan you love the curriculum despite results showing rubbish after rubbish results. Robot players being churned out with no flair or point of difference makes this happen. Coaches are forced to follow the clipboard - that will never be a successful formula. I don't "love the curriculum" as you say. I just don't like simplistic comments/alternatives.
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Post by the Normal One on Sept 22, 2016 22:20:43 GMT 10
vs Japan, 0-6 in the second half, game about to end. Japan kept many of its starting member on the bench for quarterfinal. As everyone raise questions on the system, I would like to think better team could be formed by identifying players from HAL youth and NPL teams...
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Post by nemesis on Sept 23, 2016 8:44:17 GMT 10
MADNESS = DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT................ Time for mass changes from top to bottom....
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Post by sherlock on Sept 23, 2016 8:50:45 GMT 10
We as coaches feel the hurt of this result; what are we doing wrong? Or is this the incorrect question to ask? Perhaps it is more relevant to research what are the countries that are experiencing success at international level doing better? What is their structure? What is their philosophy?
Australia is unique in it's geography; distance is a problem. In asian countries, one can drive from one end of the country to the other in less time than it takes to drive out of NSW from Sydney.
Australia is also unique in that the main source of development money comes from parents; high club registration fees and taxes.
The income to clubs through registrations is healthy yet the funds are not used effectively for development (coaches should be fulltime)
The income from taxes distributed by the Australian Sports Commission (?) to fund the AIS which, if athletes from the AIS aren't selected, would be placed in peril of being removed.
So perhaps we need to look at what others are doing to landscape our own backyard. But then again, perhaps we need to clear the landscape up first in order to move forward.
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Post by thommo on Sept 23, 2016 11:15:38 GMT 10
Tarzan you love the curriculum despite results showing rubbish after rubbish results. Robot players being churned out with no flair or point of difference makes this happen. Coaches are forced to follow the clipboard - that will never be a successful formula. We are at risk of being swamped by Curriculum...thanks Pauline! Because the head in the sand approach is working wonders.....carry on then.
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Post by tarzan on Sept 23, 2016 11:21:56 GMT 10
We are at risk of being swamped by Curriculum...thanks Pauline! Because the head in the sand approach is working wonders.....carry on then. Printing money could be the answer...
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Post by sherlock on Sept 23, 2016 12:14:07 GMT 10
We are at risk of being swamped by Curriculum...thanks Pauline! Because the head in the sand approach is working wonders.....carry on then. So many people are impressed by flare...we notice the young kids getting excited about 'nutmegging' another player...even if they do not keep possession! What we are missing is players that are technically proficient to pass a ball so that: 1. It gets to feet and doesn't get intercepted; 2. It arrives into a space as a player arrives (so it doesn't become simply a pass that results in a foot race); and, 3. It doesn't result in a tackle! Again the curriculum is founded on educating players by playing. Unfortunately, (and in my opinion based on observations of many players aged 8-18 through the course of my vocation) there is a real need for technical development in isolation.
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