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Post by scarecrow on Aug 20, 2013 12:55:19 GMT 10
I had one of our players cautioned in Bathurst for having a bobby pin in their hair! The decision given was because she was persistently on fringing the laws of the game.
Is it not the responsibility of the referee to ensure every players equipment is safe? How is wearing a bobby pin a caution able offence? Can someone provide me with the statistics on bobby pin related injuries on women's football?
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Post by oldgoalie on Aug 20, 2013 13:21:36 GMT 10
Juventus keeper, Buffon wears them all the time. Any ref giving a card for that may well be "friendly" with your opponents....
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Post by scarecrow on Aug 20, 2013 13:46:31 GMT 10
Juventus keeper, Buffon wears them all the time. Any ref giving a card for that may well be "friendly" with your opponents.... One of their players was cautioned in first grade.
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Post by redyellowblack on Aug 20, 2013 14:39:59 GMT 10
I had one of our players cautioned in Bathurst for having a bobby pin in their hair! The decision given was because she was persistently on fringing the laws of the game. Is it not the responsibility of the referee to ensure every players equipment is safe? How is wearing a bobby pin a caution able offence? Can someone provide me with the statistics on bobby pin related injuries on women's football? I remember when I was coaching 1sts and Ressies that in a game at St.George Stadium a girl from the opposition got sent off for bobby pins. She received a caution and was told to go to the sideline and remove them. When she came back on she had not taken them all out, so ref gave her a yellow and sent her back to the sideline to take the rest out. After she did that, she re-entered the field before the ref asked her to, so she got a second yellow... In all seriousness, they are in the same category as jewellry, so the ref does have a right to ask for them to be removed...
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Post by scarecrow on Aug 20, 2013 15:25:59 GMT 10
I don't have a problem asking them to be removed. But to caution a player without any prior notice is a bit harsh and excessive
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Post by ballboy on Aug 20, 2013 20:39:45 GMT 10
scarecrow, bobby pins are regarded as jewellery and the wearing of them is regarded as 'Dissent'. Players are warned at the toss that all bobby pins should be removed. Any subsequent evidence of 'Jewellery' is liable to a caution. I asked a young lady to remove a number last year, which she did. Unfortunately when she approached the sideline to remove them from the field she put them back in her hair. I cautioned her for 'Dissent'. After the game, she thanked me for being fair.
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Post by scarecrow on Aug 21, 2013 11:29:11 GMT 10
So ballboy I can 100000% tell you that the player was not warned for wearing bobby pins. She was cautioned and told to take them out. I don't have a problem with referees asking them to be removed.
But it frustrates me immensely as with a lot of other people that referees focus on bobby pins in the hair, wrong coloured skins, tape on socks etc yet can't pick up simple fouls that affect the game.
I'm sorry the more I think about this the more pissed off I get. It's complete BS for a player to be cautioned without warning
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Post by ballboy on Aug 21, 2013 11:45:45 GMT 10
You're right, a player can't be cautioned without first being warned. That is why it is done at the toss of the coin so that all players are addressed and aware of the consequences.
As for the tape and skins etc. contact FIFA......
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Post by scarecrow on Aug 21, 2013 13:55:44 GMT 10
I think you missed my point there. I understand they are the laws no problem with that.
But these things don't affect the outcome of the match. I and 99% of the population would be happy with referees if their foul recognition and enforcement was as good as their ability to pick up trivial equipment issues
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Aug 21, 2013 16:15:23 GMT 10
scarecrow,
Surly you are not saying because the referee is not good at one thing they should just be bad at everything. As referees we are to enforce the laws of the game. If those laws were not required they would not be there in the first place. If your referee did not enforce it then there will be another poster saying "where is consistency"
I agree that your case may have been a bit harsh. but it is the responsibility of players coaches and managers to know the laws of the game and abide by them. Just like the fact that you know playing the ball in an offside position is an offence, you must know that wearing jewelry is not allowed. If it is done knowingly it's unsporting behavior. At your level, referees expect players or at least team officials to know. Your referee did not do a good job of explaining the reason for the card.
Giving a warning first time or at the toss of the coin is just a curtsy from most referees and is not a requirement.
I have lost count of how many time players cover their nose/ear studs with a small skin coloured tape hoping it goes unnoticed.
Two years a ago I noticed a girl wearing a belly button stud when she jumped to challenged for a ball. I asked her to go to the sideline and remove it. Before she came back on she said that she has. 15 minutes later she lifted the front of her shirt to wipe the sweat of her face. You can guess the rest.
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Post by kookaburra on Aug 21, 2013 17:40:09 GMT 10
scarecrow, she knows the rules and deserved what she got. Stop blaming the referees for enforcing the laws of the game. The coach has to be blamed as well. I have coached girls before and none of my players ever walked on with jewellery,bobby pins or anything else that wasn't legal. What is she, U/6s. Didn't the player know the rule It's the players fault, not the referee's.
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Post by billysitch on May 16, 2014 8:28:59 GMT 10
OK People here's a good one for you. Watch the highlights of last weekends game, Sydney Uni V Rams in WPL1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cN8Em3fbukNow at the 1:07 mark, Number 10 from Rams, in my opinion, deliberately throws the ball at her opponent number 8 with force. Can anyone with a referee qualification tell me how she didn't get sent off. Number 3 from Uni gets sent off in the incident, for what i can only presume to be something she said, and number 10 seems to escape totally unpunished and the game swings on it's head as a result. Crazy stuff!!
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Post by ballboy on May 16, 2014 12:42:09 GMT 10
Law 15 extract....
"If a player, while correctly taking a throw-in, intentionally throws the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but neither in a careless nor a reckless manner nor using excessive force, the referee must allow play to continue."
In this referees opinion the action must have been neither, careless, reckless or using excessive force.
The referee's report would have been interesting to read. Grabbing hold of No. 3 like that, she could have found herself up on assault charges.
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Post by koolkid on May 17, 2014 17:59:52 GMT 10
One quick question. If a player is suspended for a week and doesn't play, but the manager forgets to stand him/ her down on the match card. Can he play the next game? Or has to wait till they stand him/ her down on the match card
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 12:22:26 GMT 10
One quick question. If a player is suspended for a week and doesn't play, but the manager forgets to stand him/ her down on the match card. Can he play the next game? Or has to wait till they stand him/ her down on the match card From my understanding, if you are listed on the match card and don't go on, I believe you are still deemed as having played. I think the bigger problem might be "playing" an ineligible player due to being listed on the match card. I know what you are saying, but I think because his or her name is listed, there is a far wider problem. Good luck with that, but it could mean a forfeit if my guess it correct
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