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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Jul 5, 2012 17:19:03 GMT 10
I'm afraid you have missed the point i was trying to make. It is not about what i think or what you think should be consistent. It is about what the laws of the game say and unlike what you said the laws explicitly leave many interpretations to the referee's opinion and perception. The laws of the game say nothing about walking off, so no need for consistency there. Similar with the other points you mentioned about scoreline and keeper. They are just indication. But the laws of the game do say you can not waste time (loosely speaking) and there needs to be consistency applying that. The way in which it is applied is not necessarily the same under different circumstances. Since you asked your question another way let me respond another way. So say in a mid-season game: You are BEHIND 1-0 and 4 minutes to go the opposition coach calls for substituting the player furthest away from the tech area. The player starts walking from there. I have no doubt you would think that they are wasting time. So does the referee. You are AHEAD 1-0 and 4 minutes to go the opposition coach calls for substituting the player furthest away from the tech area. The player starts walking from there (which would get the player benched for the next two games and the coach the sack ) there is no way you would think that they are wasting time. Neither would the referee. Even if he does think its wasting time, they are not benefiting from it which is not what the intention of the law is ("intention" another discussion matter). As i said the only thing the referee is obliged to apply, consistently, is the laws of the game which state a player may not waste time.
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Post by The Villans on Jul 5, 2012 17:26:38 GMT 10
So it comes down to the interpretation of the referee, which in this case lies the problem. Sure I take your point the coach is trying to waste time by substituting the player furthest from the technical area, so is it fair to card the player leaving the field? He may be annoyed about being substituted or whatever but he is just leaving the field like he would in any other game!
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Post by nigel on Jul 19, 2013 14:32:23 GMT 10
There are no interpretations. Just be greatfull he wasn't already on a yellow otherwise his replacement wouldn't be able to come on and the team would be down one player
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Post by ballboy on Jul 19, 2013 20:58:58 GMT 10
The player, if the referee so rules, can leave the field on the other side of the field from the Technical Area. This would quicken up the substitution/interchange.....
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Post by ripped on Jul 22, 2013 14:06:10 GMT 10
Hi refs,
Our goalie was red carded yesterday for bringing down a striker outside the box, with a defender either side of the attacking player. How close do these other defenders have to be to the attacker to get around the "last man" clause? Lets hear your response then I'll tell you how close they were (on the video). And it was not studs up, no hands involved, no previous free kicks against him etc, just tripped him playing at the ball as it was knocked past him.
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Post by scarecrow on Jul 22, 2013 14:41:08 GMT 10
"denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick"
Pretty self explanatory. If the referee deemed the player would have scored without the foul the right decision has been made.
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Post by tango on Jul 22, 2013 14:42:13 GMT 10
Hi refs, Our goalie was red carded yesterday for bringing down a striker outside the box, with a defender either side of the attacking player. How close do these other defenders have to be to the attacker to get around the "last man" clause? Lets hear your response then I'll tell you how close they were (on the video). And it was not studs up, no hands involved, no previous free kicks against him etc, just tripped him playing at the ball as it was knocked past him. Last man is last man...irrespective of how close the other defenders are. If the attacking player only has 1 player to beat on the opposing side and is in a goal scoring opportunity and gets taken out, then it's a red card. If however the attacking player has a last kick or touch which clearly puts the ball in a non-goal scoring opportunity (say kicks it towards the line and had no chance of reaching the ball)...and gets taken out by say the keeper, then it shouldn't be a RED card. Let's see the video.....but remember, the Ref doesn't have this luxury at the time.
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Post by kookaburra on Jul 22, 2013 16:40:07 GMT 10
There is no such thing as "Last Man". Was it a goal scoring opportunity or not? That is the question.
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Post by fiik on Jul 22, 2013 18:05:03 GMT 10
Refs are never wrong. (I have served my suspension for thinking one was)
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Post by ripped on Jul 23, 2013 13:21:08 GMT 10
Hi refs, Our goalie was red carded yesterday for bringing down a striker outside the box, with a defender either side of the attacking player. How close do these other defenders have to be to the attacker to get around the "last man" clause? Lets hear your response then I'll tell you how close they were (on the video). And it was not studs up, no hands involved, no previous free kicks against him etc, just tripped him playing at the ball as it was knocked past him. Last man is last man...irrespective of how close the other defenders are. If the attacking player only has 1 player to beat on the opposing side and is in a goal scoring opportunity and gets taken out, then it's a red card. If however the attacking player has a last kick or touch which clearly puts the ball in a non-goal scoring opportunity (say kicks it towards the line and had no chance of reaching the ball)...and gets taken out by say the keeper, then it shouldn't be a RED card. Let's see the video.....but remember, the Ref doesn't have this luxury at the time. Thanks tango for your explanation. The player had a fullback on either side of him at the time, such that to beat the goalie, the attacker had to play the ball in front of one of them, so to me there was a pretty good chance he would have been dispossessed. I can only assume the goalie was red carded for being the "last man" - anywhere else on the field the same tackle would not have warranted a red card... But the ref was right in any case. The up side was I got to watch Junior play goalie for half an hour for the first time since the U5's!! Even made a couple of saves!
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Post by wembley on Jul 29, 2013 19:31:56 GMT 10
Can somebody please tell me if there is injury time in WSL seniors? I have experienced no additional time in any game this season yet yesterdays ref called five minutes extra for injuries.
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Post by scarecrow on Jul 29, 2013 19:58:12 GMT 10
Wembley reserve grade no. 1st grade yes. But depends on the referee amd if They do play it they have no idea of how to accrue stoppage time
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Post by ballboy on Jul 29, 2013 21:32:17 GMT 10
As far as I know, added time is played in all grades for 12s up to and including 1sts.......
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Post by scarecrow on Jul 29, 2013 21:40:34 GMT 10
Ballboy I think you are wrong
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Post by ballboy on Jul 29, 2013 21:49:24 GMT 10
scarecrow, I agree with you. I am wrong. I've just located the relevant passage in the Rules and Regulations. Which states that
a)Referees will play additional “injury and stoppage time”at the conclusion of each half in 1st Grade only of the Leagues governed by these Regulations.
I also didn't realise the variations in half time for each grade.....
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