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Post by enmorecat on May 8, 2016 12:41:02 GMT 10
I think that's pretty consistent with the American college system. There is an excellent book named, "The Miracle of St Anthony", which is about a high school based in Jersey City, quite underprivileged, but which has a phenomenal basketball programme, providing many NBA and College players. Anyway, bottom line is that the kids who play basketball still have to keep up their marks and the colleges that recruit them require a certain level of academic achievement. Makes a lot of sense really...
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Post by tarzan on May 8, 2016 13:15:03 GMT 10
I think that's pretty consistent with the American college system. There is an excellent book named, "The Miracle of St Anthony", which is about a high school based in Jersey City, quite underprivileged, but which has a phenomenal basketball programme, providing many NBA and College players. Anyway, bottom line is that the kids who play basketball still have to keep up their marks and the colleges that recruit them require a certain level of academic achievement. Makes a lot of sense really... Does it say anything about not producing "well drilled" teams at too early an age??
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Post by enmorecat on May 8, 2016 13:21:57 GMT 10
I think that's pretty consistent with the American college system. There is an excellent book named, "The Miracle of St Anthony", which is about a high school based in Jersey City, quite underprivileged, but which has a phenomenal basketball programme, providing many NBA and College players. Anyway, bottom line is that the kids who play basketball still have to keep up their marks and the colleges that recruit them require a certain level of academic achievement. Makes a lot of sense really... Does it say anything about not producing "well drilled" teams at too early an age?? Basketball probably lends itself better to it than football does...
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Post by SapCoach on May 8, 2016 14:28:39 GMT 10
These statements may have elements of truth. However, the truth is that a gifted athlete can be academically 'improved'. There may indeed be not many individuals that excel at both sport and academic, but the focus should be on improving the academic ability of the gifted athlete. The school that shows evidence of this is the school that is serving the talented athlete correctly. Why are students at sports schools allowed to train and play in school sport team if their results are not over a certain mark - say 60%+ (not sure of where the bar should be but the bar should be as high as possiable)?? To do well at both you need time/effort/focus/determination/guidance/teaching, etc - Therefore if the sport school is really interested in helping the academic responsibility of their sport focused students they will implement an academic focus towards such success. Again this all relates to the fact the main squads of these sports schools all contain NPL players! So if they are already playing/training NPL shouldn't the schools focus be academic first then sport? And the sport schools have the best sport coaching programme. That way we create educated sports people! Plenty players playing NPL/Bill Turner with school results less than 50%! If those students were not allowed to play there would be someone else to step in and then the focus would be academic first then sport ability! Why dont these talented sport school programmes set a minimum academic result first? Then improve both. Remember only relevant to the sports programme students. Or does the result of the sport become more important so the best sport player plays in the team irrelevant of their academic results? How many students in the WSH/BPSH/Hills Bill Turner teams dont play in the NPL??
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Post by sherlock on May 8, 2016 16:59:10 GMT 10
Sappy, If a student gets 20% in a test and then gets 30% in the next test, is this not improvement which should allow the student to be a student athlete. I'm still waiting on maths homework from Mark Bridge but he improved his marks despite his teacher.
For mine, the behaviour and the effort in class is more important than academic achievement. Once they join the program then they need to concentrate on a disciplined approach to learning.
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Post by SapCoach on May 9, 2016 12:12:24 GMT 10
So what about if the student has the reverse and wants to also be a student athlete? i.e. You have a student who has high academic result in year 7 but not yet achieved such so called mark in sport but wants to develop the sport side? Is that not what the talented sports programmes should be concentrating on or only the already highly developed sport side?
Are we saying that high achieving sports students can not do both? If not is it only cause they dont have to when the sports schools allow current sport achievement to get in the way of selection into the talented sports programme?
Do we not need to extend the thinking and start to be ahead of our time? These sports programmes should be sublimating the development of our players while also ensuring academic achievement is high! A smart player is always excellent to work with?
Again I ask anyone to confirm - How many students in the WSH/BPSH/Hills Bill Turner teams dont play in the NPL?? Also how many in the talented sport programme Year 7 intake did not play within NPL/SAP?? Therefore are they developing the player or sublimating the development of the player?
Im aware and im sure many others are, of many players who missed out on the talented sports programme year on year but is it cause their sport achievement is not high enough or their academic achievement not high enough? Therefore which one is first focus?
Sherlock, If a student starts in year 7 with a 20% academic mark and makes the talented sports programme has he/she been selected over another student who has a higher academic mark? And then improvement in any case should be based year on year but if in year 7 they are at 20% by Year 12 they should be over 50% if academic learning is also important in these talented sports programmes? Right?
In any case these selective talented sport programmes schools should be entered within the NPL and be a club as too many players/parents are choosing these programmes plus NPL to the detriment of their childrens academic needs. There needs to be a balance and if some of the questions above are answered by those in the know honestly then again a large round table discussion is in desperate need just like the David/Damien style. If they can do both that create go for it but do they get burnt out when its too late? What if they dont make the very limited fulltime sport career? Again we need to have a little check that these times have changed and now in particular to football its 40 weeks outdoor 4 times per week minimum plus futsal that a player can do where as the Mark Bridge era was 6 months plus the sports schools! Big big difference to now just in time! Lets not talk about coach accreditation/curriculum/SAP/youth league/etc
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Post by sherlock on May 9, 2016 17:01:13 GMT 10
Sappy, You have perhaps crystal balled the possible intent of a Sydney South West School. With WSHS now becoming Westfields FC and having teams play in the SDSFA in the U6-U8's, perhaps their next step is to have SAP teams and these teams lead into their 'unofficial' WSW's pathway for the U13-U20's.
So Sappy, if you are in the know and it seems as though you are, would it be fair to assume that any student that makes it into Westfields for 2017 will effectively be leaving their current 2016 club?
If yes, then this may put a cat amongst the pigeons with the clubs that have pushed their players towards trialling at WSHS in the past.
Please note Sappy that the school I'm at were also invited to be involved with the U6 - U8's but at this stage we are only looking at conducting primary school training of a Thursday afternoon and allow the players to play at their own clubs.
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Post by squash on Jun 14, 2016 3:30:57 GMT 10
The Sydney FC link is strong, healthy and productive one; soon to become a pathway for both boys AND girls. The one characteristic that is it's strength is that, even if you are not currently in a Sydney FC squad, the players are being monitored. Monitoring through school coach referrral/reporting to KC and the three schools are participating in 'Talent Identification Days' whereby the three schools attend the one venue (year group at a time) and play. The format of the TID's is going to be either the school stays together as a team or the students are integrated. It is a healthy relationship as each year group understands that there are two other squads training at the other two schools with players that wish to be identified and the current Sydney FC players know that these players want a position in the squad. So it sets up a competitive environment. Working closely with KC has been productive as the school's program staff are his eyes and ears on the character development of the player. Reports back to KC include positive academic and school community achievement to the other end of the spectrum if there are any behavioural issues; more of the former at this stage as opposed to the latter. All in all it should be interesting to see where we are in 5 years; hopefully with a very productive program for both boys and girls. Well done to Bossley for their girls program.
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Post by sherlock on Aug 20, 2018 11:58:57 GMT 10
Bossley Park High School - Gifted & Talented Football Program Trial Application Girls & Boys Bossley Park High School have limited places still available in year 10 and 11 for 2019. Parents should complete the appropriate forms found on our website. www.bossleyparkhigh.nsw.edu.au/enrolment/enrolment-forms• DEC Enrolment form • Junior or Senior Expression of Interest • Gifted and Talented Application 2019 • Parents are also asked to submit copies of the past two reports along with the NAPLAN report Once completed the application must be submitted to the school office by 7th September 2018. The application process is a two stage process and also requires a trial. Parents will be contacted regarding a trial after the application has been reviewed. Students will be selected based on their academic & sporting performance. BOSSLEY PARK HIGH SCHOOL IS AN OFFICIAL SYDNEY FC FOOTBALL ACADEMY SCHOOL
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Post by sherlock on Aug 26, 2018 19:47:54 GMT 10
There are positions available in Year 7 2019 in the Talented Football Program at Bossley Park HS as well...
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