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Post by thommo on Feb 13, 2016 10:35:46 GMT 10
This is where the problem lies. You're being fed garbage and for all your "be educated" dribble being practicle is more important than theory. Also it's a game of football not rocket science look at Leicester this year playing a simple game with 2 up front. All this theory based ponce has got us far hasn't it. Weve wasted more than one decade going backwards but you're still a believer. Now we are taking away finals etc so no pressure situations for our youth until they are basically adults. Top system this one. Enjoy it.
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Feb 13, 2016 10:49:26 GMT 10
Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 10:49:26 GMT 10
This is where the problem lies. You're being fed garbage and for all your "be educated" dribble being practicle is more important than theory. Also it's a game of football not rocket science look at Leicester this year playing a simple game with 2 up front. All this theory based ponce has got us far hasn't it. Weve wasted more than one decade going backwards but you're still a believer. Now we are taking away finals etc so no pressure situations for our youth until they are basically adults. Top system this one. Enjoy it. Oh dear!
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Feb 13, 2016 11:05:08 GMT 10
Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 11:05:08 GMT 10
Educating oneself through, reading, watching and listening is good enough for Pep but not for the Special One - "thommo"... [Extract from an article on Pep] "In the early days of his managerial career, Pep chiefly devoted himself to two things: travelling and reading. He proceeded to what he called ‘initiation trips.’ On those trips, he would become engrossed in the work of other, very different managers. He would listen to them attentively for hours on end and distil what he needed to learn from each of them. He still remembers the lessons he learnt, all these years later. Time and again, his comments refer to the things he garnered from men such as Johan Cruyff, Cesar Luis Menotti, Juan Manuel Lillo, Marcelo Bielsa and Arrigo Sacchi. He read a lot, and still does. He’s an expert on the history and development of football. This expertise is what makes him able to seize on other coaches’ ideas and implement them at the right moment. Let me give you an example: they already had the false nine in Argentina and Hungary back in the ’50s. In 2009, Guardiola pulled the formation out of his hat on the eve of that season’s decisive Primera Division match between Real Madrid and his own FC Barcelona. Lionel Messi did the honours, and his team beat their great rivals in their own stadium by six goals to two." There's an old saying..... "It can take considerable knowledge to realize the extent of our own ignorance"
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Post by thommo on Feb 13, 2016 12:10:20 GMT 10
And there's and older one from Einstein. Insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Good luck with the curriculum
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Feb 13, 2016 13:53:49 GMT 10
Post by enmorecat on Feb 13, 2016 13:53:49 GMT 10
One of the issues with that is that is exactly what hasn't happened. The first group of 9's to experience SAP here were in 2013. They turn 18 in the year 2022 and by that stage we will know more about their performance in international tournaments and start to be able to make judgements about the curriculum's success.
Taking just one player at random from the Olyroos team, the captain, Mustafa Amini and what do we find out? In 2013 he was playing for Borussia Dortmund, so perhaps we are better off blaming them and whatever curriculum they follow for contributing to the Olyroo's failure. Oh hang on, they made the Champions League final in 2013, that can't be right.
The reality is that the Asian teams that have caught us up and in some cases passed us, have done so by implementing a broad-based structure. We are in the very early stages of implementation and if the alternative was just leaving it to the existing clubs and hoping for the best, well I think I know which path I would rather go down. We are finally getting A League teams actually running proper youth league set ups. Single-handedly across Australia, other than the curriculum, this should be the single-most important thing to happen to Australia football since the A League was introduced. I don't agree with all of the changes made, but I do agree with the goal of getting more players having the chance to develop and play better football over the medium term and this is our best chance of doing that.
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Feb 13, 2016 14:00:07 GMT 10
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Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 14:00:07 GMT 10
And there's and older one from Einstein. Insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Good luck with the curriculum Yes, Einstein was right we did the same thing over and over for 30/40 years and our football was well known for not qualifying in the World Cup, a backyard "Soccer" league called the NSL, no fans, no TV rights and no Asian Cup. More recently we had a labotomy and decided we needed to develop players....more than 1 or 2 and rolled out a development program....wow amazing "a development program"!!
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Feb 13, 2016 14:02:22 GMT 10
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Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 14:02:22 GMT 10
One of the issues with that is that is exactly what hasn't happened. The first group of 9's to experience SAP here were in 2013. They turn 18 in the year 2022 and by that stage we will know more about their performance in international tournaments and start to be able to make judgements about the curriculum's success. Taking just one player at random from the Olyroos team, the captain, Mustafa Amini and what do we find out? In 2013 he was playing for Borussia Dortmund, so perhaps we are better off blaming them and whatever curriculum they follow for contributing to the Olyroo's failure. Oh hang on, they made the Champions League final in 2013, that can't be right. The reality is that the Asian teams that have caught us up and in some cases passed us, have done so by implementing a broad-based structure. We are in the very early stages of implementation and if the alternative was just leaving it to the existing clubs and hoping for the best, well I think I know which path I would rather go down. We are finally getting A League teams actually running proper youth league set ups. Single-handedly across Australia, other than the curriculum, this should be the single-most important thing to happen to Australia football since the A League was introduced. I don't agree with all of the changes made, but I do agree with the goal of getting more players having the chance to develop and play better football over the medium term and this is our best chance of doing that. I'm warming to you EC
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Feb 13, 2016 14:15:38 GMT 10
Post by enmorecat on Feb 13, 2016 14:15:38 GMT 10
One of the issues with that is that is exactly what hasn't happened. The first group of 9's to experience SAP here were in 2013. They turn 18 in the year 2022 and by that stage we will know more about their performance in international tournaments and start to be able to make judgements about the curriculum's success. Taking just one player at random from the Olyroos team, the captain, Mustafa Amini and what do we find out? In 2013 he was playing for Borussia Dortmund, so perhaps we are better off blaming them and whatever curriculum they follow for contributing to the Olyroo's failure. Oh hang on, they made the Champions League final in 2013, that can't be right. The reality is that the Asian teams that have caught us up and in some cases passed us, have done so by implementing a broad-based structure. We are in the very early stages of implementation and if the alternative was just leaving it to the existing clubs and hoping for the best, well I think I know which path I would rather go down. We are finally getting A League teams actually running proper youth league set ups. Single-handedly across Australia, other than the curriculum, this should be the single-most important thing to happen to Australia football since the A League was introduced. I don't agree with all of the changes made, but I do agree with the goal of getting more players having the chance to develop and play better football over the medium term and this is our best chance of doing that. I'm warming to you EC Don't get too comfy T-Man...
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Feb 13, 2016 16:09:37 GMT 10
Post by thommo on Feb 13, 2016 16:09:37 GMT 10
And there's and older one from Einstein. Insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Good luck with the curriculum Yes, Einstein was right we did the same thing over and over for 30/40 years and our football was well known for not qualifying in the World Cup, a backyard "Soccer" league called the NSL, no fans, no TV rights and no Asian Cup. More recently we had a labotomy and decided we needed to develop players....more than 1 or 2 and rolled out a development program....wow amazing "a development program"!! You really are a Wilsonite. NSL developed the likes of Viduka , Popovic, culina, Emerton to name a few. Where in ten years have any players within this great curriculum hit the heights of these guys. Also hard to qualify for a World Cup through Asia when we weren't in that confederation back then. Had we been I would put my house on it Eddie Thomson and the others would have had us there.
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Feb 13, 2016 16:26:23 GMT 10
Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 16:26:23 GMT 10
Is that it....over 30/40 years?
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Feb 13, 2016 16:41:32 GMT 10
Post by thommo on Feb 13, 2016 16:41:32 GMT 10
What are you even asking? The NSL started in 1977 and relied on a lot of people who barely knew the English language let alone government funding and programmes Their efforts are for all to see. I'm an a league fan and have moved on but if you think that the NSL clubs didn't produce great players from their own set ups then you're even more naive than I thought you were.
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Post by whyme on Feb 13, 2016 18:12:19 GMT 10
And there's and older one from Einstein. Insanity is defined by doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Good luck with the curriculum Yes, Einstein was right we did the same thing over and over for 30/40 years and our football was well known for not qualifying in the World Cup, a backyard "Soccer" league called the NSL, no fans, no TV rights and no Asian Cup. More recently we had a labotomy and decided we needed to develop players....more than 1 or 2 and rolled out a development program....wow amazing "a development program"!! Lol again Tarzan the blow a$$ A Back Yard Soccer league aye. No Fans! Average attendance for the first ever NSL season was about 3900 per game with a peak attendance of 14,500. TV rights! In 1977 to 1983 No winter sport had money from TV rights. Australia had to qualify through sth America and we did twice. I put it to you you nuppety that Australia would not of qualified for the last two world cups had we had to do the same! Again Answers not spin and rhetoric. dyslexics untie
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Feb 13, 2016 18:51:04 GMT 10
Post by directfk on Feb 13, 2016 18:51:04 GMT 10
I loved the NSL and still follow the NSW PL. Some of those teams would do better than Syd FC.
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Olyroos
Feb 13, 2016 19:03:18 GMT 10
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Post by tarzan on Feb 13, 2016 19:03:18 GMT 10
Hope you guys paid your admission fee to participate in this discussion?
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Olyroos
Feb 21, 2016 4:01:41 GMT 10
Post by thommo on Feb 21, 2016 4:01:41 GMT 10
I'll leave this here if I can. Great to hear Boutsianis speak candidly about youth football problems. One of the great players to watch in the NSL era. mobile.twitter.com/worldfootballau
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