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Post by SapCoach on May 16, 2016 14:50:47 GMT 10
Why is futsal important? If you say touch then why don't they play with a real football? Futsal is a totally different game. A good game but it is like comparing 20/20 cricket with a test match cricket game. Simple it is small sided form of the game that contains many more touches, fast decision making, technique under pressure, intense, etc all the many benefits required to develop footballers! O and contains the many secrets outdoor coaches have been scared of for many years! When given a chance to understand, then be educated within the scary game and then to challenge oneself to better understand/coach it, you will find the many secrets Futsal can add to football development in this country and also provide a very real pathway alternative! Funny how many of the top selected HAL youth kids and previous FNSWI were all playing/dominating the Futsal National Selections - Yes this did change as they got older 16+ as they both have challenges and to master you have to keep at them but Clubs/Coaches/Workload/Directions all come into play!
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Post by whyme on May 16, 2016 16:00:55 GMT 10
It's more a case of shopping your kid around for the coach's. Coach's see potential players for there age group the following year and parents shop there kid around so potential coach's can see. Would rather go on holiday than to sit in a hot room just so we can say he play futsal. Also if you don't see how futsal effects outdoor football in an adverse way you prove you are an amateur . dyslexics untie Neymar, De Gea just to name a few? Simple if futsal is used for shopping dont do it you wont get the real benefits! Ok, Falcao the world's best futsal player joined Sao Paulo and couldn't make a go of it. So if the world's best futsal player can't adapt what makes you think it's a small sided game? Again Australia is a special case where we think it's a round ball it's the same but smaller. May as well play hockey as it would have more relevance due to positions lol dyslexics untie
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Post by SapCoach on May 16, 2016 16:25:13 GMT 10
Neymar, De Gea just to name a few? Simple if futsal is used for shopping dont do it you wont get the real benefits! Ok, Falcao the world's best futsal player joined Sao Paulo and couldn't make a go of it. So if the world's best futsal player can't adapt what makes you think it's a small sided game? Again Australia is a special case where we think it's a round ball it's the same but smaller. May as well play hockey as it would have more relevance due to positions lol dyslexics untie Dont want to or need to argue but never said nor claimed a senior futsal player is the best outdoor player and Vice versa! In others words futsal as a development tool done properly works! But futsal is not the side kick to outdoor nor the other way around but when is that decision to be made? 16+, 18+?? Plus note Futsal is small sided many touches is that more need when young or older? Or do we just go back to 11v11 from 5 year olds up big field? Doesnt make you the best outdoor player in world sorry, but neither does any academy? BTW - When do you become a footballer? As for Falcao, the futsal player, his priority was still futsal not outdoor! Just like in Aus, the great senior futsal players still play outdoor but not their full focus so how can you judge? Next you'll say Jarryd Hayne cant play NRL cause he didn't make NFL! O and would Messi be the world's best Futsal player? No - different game but would be good at just not the worlds best!
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Post by thumper on May 16, 2016 16:30:04 GMT 10
SapCoach is clearly one of those blokes that thinks watching youtube clips and reading 442 make him an authority on Football.
Nick develops alot of talent and is a skilled teacher.
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Post by tarzan on May 16, 2016 16:58:01 GMT 10
It's more a case of shopping your kid around for the coach's. Coach's see potential players for there age group the following year and parents shop there kid around so potential coach's can see. Would rather go on holiday than to sit in a hot room just so we can say he play futsal. Also if you don't see how futsal effects outdoor football in an adverse way you prove you are an amateur . dyslexics untie Neymar, De Gea just to name a few? Simple if futsal is used for shopping dont do it you wont get the real benefits! [br Sappy, I'd be really concerned if you owed me a "few" bucks that I might only get two bucks back
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Post by SapCoach on May 16, 2016 17:10:22 GMT 10
Neymar, De Gea just to name a few? Simple if futsal is used for shopping dont do it you wont get the real benefits! [br Sappy, I'd be really concerned if you owed me a "few" bucks that I might only get two bucks back I would never lend money off you! Those Nth are worse than banks!
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Post by SapCoach on May 16, 2016 17:13:54 GMT 10
SapCoach is clearly one of those blokes that thinks watching youtube clips and reading 442 make him an authority on Football. Nick develops alot of talent and is a skilled teacher. Read my posts about Nick? BTW - Sorry I watch/read/coach/participate/attend/educate/have interest in Football but never claimed to have authority! Fixed mindset anyone? Thanks for the heads up thou! I'll see if it works
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Post by ocd on May 18, 2016 19:04:39 GMT 10
The outdoor v Futsal argument is old and outdated. Watch most PL or La Liga games and players at times will control the ball with the sole of their foot or "toe poke" a shot or pass to gain an advantage so trying to say technique is an issue is a farce. If Nick's sessions get the players on the ball more under pressure it cannot be a bad thing, no different to Futsal. Ongoing similarities in that Nick's academy fizzles out at around 13-14 years of age when players are more entrenched in outdoor very similar to Futsal where the advanced players tend to choose (or be told to choose) outdoor at around 16. Make a choice either way and move on.
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Post by SapCoach on May 19, 2016 20:32:59 GMT 10
So its pretty simple - playing a game under pressure or training/academy session? I know as a coach what i would encourage my players to do more of if they have trained 3 nights per week for around 35-40 weeks already!
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Post by 442 on May 20, 2016 15:40:27 GMT 10
Has there ever been a player developed by an academy or school without ever playing within the FNSW/FFA system until 18 year old? It would be of great concern if a player made his way to a professional player this way Obviously knows somebody in the know! Anybody who gets the easy path like this will usually get a mediocre professional contract at first and then when they get cut from the team and can't get a contract anywhere else. They end up digging ditches on the side of the road It's a trap for young players....
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Post by tarzan on May 20, 2016 16:38:10 GMT 10
Has there ever been a player developed by an academy or school without ever playing within the FNSW/FFA system until 18 year old? It would be of great concern if a player made his way to a professional player this way Obviously knows somebody in the know! Anybody who gets the easy path like this will usually get a mediocre professional contract at first and then when they get cut from the team and can't get a contract anywhere else. They end up digging ditches on the side of the road It's a trap for young players.... Thats where 99.9% of the so called youth superstars will actually end up...just a fact!
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Post by petratos on Jun 19, 2016 13:43:29 GMT 10
Albeit circuitous, can we return to my original point? Can anybody out there name a single player that Nick Rizzo has 'developed' to a professional or even semi professional level. Be reminded, he has coached thousands of boys (he doesn't take girls).
BTW I am not 'rubbishing' Nick. This is a forum for honest and open discussion and my views have been expressed with very careful balance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 14:12:40 GMT 10
Albeit circuitous, can we return to my original point? Can anybody out there name a single player that Nick Rizzo has 'developed' to a professional or even semi professional level. Be reminded, he has coached thousands of boys (he doesn't take girls). BTW I am not 'rubbishing' Nick. This is a forum for honest and open discussion and my views have been expressed with very careful balance. I would have thought the money from a parent of a female player was the same as the money from the parent of a male player.
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Post by tone75 on Jun 19, 2016 14:12:52 GMT 10
Albeit circuitous, can we return to my original point? Can anybody out there name a single player that Nick Rizzo has 'developed' to a professional or even semi professional level. Be reminded, he has coached thousands of boys (he doesn't take girls). BTW I am not 'rubbishing' Nick. This is a forum for honest and open discussion and my views have been expressed with very careful balance. As i understand his academy concentrates only on aggression, fast feet and sharpness, he is not someone that will help you with technical skills, that is why a percentage of participants go to other academies to learn skill. I have seen many participants from his academy that play very direct with very little vision and passing abilities, this is why they fade off after U15's.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 19, 2016 15:38:30 GMT 10
IQ Football Academy is up and running at full tilt (no more health issues - fingers crossed) and the focus is on individual technical development and then progressing this from the technical to skill phase whereby decision making is developed. (Skill is the ability to make the correct decision NOT the ability to perform a damn step-over or some other 'ball fiddling' action!)
Players we have had work with us (and I believe assisted) include:
Ellyse Perry (female!!) Alyssa Rose (female) Natalie Vukovic (female) Jess Coates (female - USA Scholarship winner)
Liam Rose (Australian U17/U20) Iain Ramsay (A League) Nathan Elasi (Australian U20's) Alexandar Jovanovic (K League) Joel Chianese (A League) Thomas Aquilina (Australian U17) Chris Gallo (Manly United FC TD) Andrea Agamemnonos (SFC U20's)
Loads of players currently playing NPL U20's and above.
Tone75...I can't comment on any other academy as I'm not one to look into others backyards BUT you are hitting the nail on the head without swinging the hammer. IQFA coaches have fulltime employement and do not rely on the income from coaching as their main source of income. Therefore, their focus is PRIMARILY on the intrisic reward of assisting players to achieve their outcomes and goals. A secondary reward is being paid to do it.
Additionally, we are not aligned to a club and so we are able to be honest with the players especially if they have the desire to improve themselves; don't want to waste peoples time and money.
For parents looking for coaching for their children, ask yourself when you are at training sessions, is the coach commentating what is going on OR is the coach correcting technique, changing performance for improvement and hence EDUCATING the child...
Just some thoughts AND in saying all this, some people like Holden and some people like Ford. Some people will like what we do and others will see it as not attractive as I'm not teaching them to nut meg players...
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