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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Dec 15, 2011 14:01:05 GMT 10
This board has been quiet so here is question for those who think they know everything about football.
When is the only time a player other than a goal keeper can deliberately handle the ball while the ball is in play but would not be penalised for it?
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Post by pilsener on Dec 15, 2011 16:05:08 GMT 10
This board has been quiet so here is question for those who think they know everything about football. When is the only time a player other than a goal keeper can deliberately handle the ball while the ball is in play but would not be penalised for it? In trying to protect himself?
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Dec 15, 2011 16:27:04 GMT 10
pilsener, If you move your hand in the path of the ball to protect yourself then most referees will give the handball. The reason; if you have enough time to move your hand in front of the ball then you have enough time to move out of it's way to protect yourselt. Those who do not give the handball would deem it not deliberate. If you had your hand to protect yourself without moving it into the ball's path (For instance in a wall most players have their hand in front of their crown jewels to start with) then almost every referees would deem it not deliberate. My question is for the instance where the referee would deem it deliberate but still allows it
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Post by pilsener on Dec 15, 2011 19:32:38 GMT 10
Ok - now it's giving me a headache.
Attacking team heads ball toward goal. defender intentionally keeps the ball out of the net by using his hand. The ball deflects into the attackers hand and goes into the goal.
Ref allows goal to stand???
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Post by throwin on Dec 15, 2011 21:04:32 GMT 10
As a ref, I would allow the goal. Why would you give the attacking team a penalty that could be missed or saved. I'd yellow card the defender. If a penalty were given, then the defender would get a straight red. The answer to the original question is, a throw in.
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Post by pilsener on Dec 15, 2011 21:17:05 GMT 10
As a ref, I would allow the goal. Why would you give the attacking team a penalty that could be missed or saved. I'd yellow card the defender. If a penalty were given, then the defender would get a straight red. The answer to the original question is, a throw in. but the ball is not in play?
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Dec 15, 2011 22:31:29 GMT 10
pilsener,
A deliberate handball where advantage is applied is still an illegal handball. My OP question refers to a legal handball.
throwin, Care to collaborate on your answer? As pilsener pointed out the ball is out of play in a throw in.
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Post by fiik on Dec 16, 2011 12:06:58 GMT 10
What if the ball gets caught in an overhanging tree?
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Post by Nike on Dec 16, 2011 13:07:29 GMT 10
What if the ball gets caught in an overhanging tree? Or what if "hypothetically" uruguay was to vs ghana and Suarez was to swat out definite goal bound header. IMO i would allow the goal, award the penalty and 3weeks red.
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Post by fiik on Dec 16, 2011 13:10:35 GMT 10
only 3 weeks?
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Post by throwin on Dec 16, 2011 17:49:53 GMT 10
Not when the ball is still in the players hand as it crosses over the line.
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Dec 16, 2011 22:57:17 GMT 10
Not when the ball is still in the players hand as it crosses over the line.
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Post by ballboy on Jan 3, 2012 8:12:23 GMT 10
I hate to be pedantic, but this is merely a question of semantics. The referee is not allowing a deliberate hand ball to go unpunished, he is merely playing an advantage to the attacking side. He will of course caution and card the offender for unsporting behaviour and if it happens to be the second then we know what the result will be. RC and two weeks in the stands.
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Jan 5, 2012 9:50:10 GMT 10
ballboy, Hate to be pedantic, but throwin's response was in for THROW IN crossing the side line. I'm assuming you thought it was for a defender handling the ball as it crosses the goal line.
In a throw in the thrower can stand inside the field of play as long as part of each of his/her feet touch the line at the time of the throw. In the action of the delivery, as soon as the ball crosses the line, it is in play but quite possibly it would still be in the thrower's hands which makes it a deliberate hand ball.
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Post by ballboy on Jan 5, 2012 10:23:43 GMT 10
I stand corrected I did assume that. The throw in isn't complete until it has left the throwers hands. IMHO.
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