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Post by Jolly_Roger on Sept 30, 2017 16:20:16 GMT 10
Interested in people's views on this and whether others are aware of a precedent Recently the Central Coast Football first division grand final was held. The game went to a penalty shootout which Umina United ultimately won. The result of the game is currently the subject of an appeal by the Woongarrah club after one of the woongarrah penalties was apparently incorrectly disallowed. Had the penalty been awarded as a goal, Woongarrah would have won the game. Presently Umina look like being stripped of the win The outcome and subsequent appeal is starting to find its way into media circles. Interested in people's opinions and whether other instances where a games result has been overturned on appeal. www.foxsports.com.au/football/central-coast-football-move-to-overturn-mens-first-grade-grand-final-result-12-days-later/news-story/5ca111c9db0846d24f44fdb4c439660b
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Post by tarzan on Sept 30, 2017 16:42:40 GMT 10
Interested in people's views on this and whether others are aware of a precedent Recently the Central Coast Football first division grand final was held. The game went to a penalty shootout which Umina United ultimately won. The result of the game is currently the subject of an appeal by the Woongarrah club after one of the woongarrah penalties was apparently incorrectly disallowed. Had the penalty been awarded as a goal, Woongarrah would have won the game. Presently Umina look like being stripped of the win The outcome and subsequent appeal is starting to find its way into media circles. Interested in people's opinions and whether other instances where a games result has been overturned on appeal. www.foxsports.com.au/football/central-coast-football-move-to-overturn-mens-first-grade-grand-final-result-12-days-later/news-story/5ca111c9db0846d24f44fdb4c439660bSpeak to St George...think it was u6s 😁😁that won an appeal on similar issue
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Post by fiik on Sept 30, 2017 18:18:17 GMT 10
Under 5's tarzan, get your facts right. There was a precedent in the womens game, not a shootout, but a penalty incorrectly ruled a goal. Game was replayed. A semi final I believe.
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Post by tarzan on Sept 30, 2017 18:33:23 GMT 10
Under 5's tarzan, get your facts right. There was a precedent in the womens game, not a shootout, but a penalty incorrectly ruled a goal. Game was replayed. A semi final I believe. Same club in the boys too....How dare the refs save all their mistakes for SG (and Woongarrah) games.
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Post by directfk on Oct 1, 2017 16:02:46 GMT 10
A very unfortunate mistake. During the GF's we had experienced officials at the games and if this incident occurred someone would have stepped up to rectify the problem. As long as the correct decision is made it wouldn't worry me to advise the officials then and there. It appears as if the assistant referees didn't know or were not confident enough to speak up. I'm not criticising the match officials as they may have been inexperienced. As a player what is done is done and I wouldn't accept the victory now. What is the point.
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Post by fiik on Oct 2, 2017 4:34:16 GMT 10
Wasn't St g in the womens!
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Post by Jolly_Roger on Oct 2, 2017 15:16:22 GMT 10
It would appear that in this instance, the goal was incorrectly disallowed. That point is not in question.
It was the first grade grand final where there were referees and linesman present. Presumably they would be competent to be assigned a first grade grand final in the first instance.
The game was complete, Umina was declared the winner, and everyone went home to either celebrate or drown their disappointment.
The question here is whether the result of a can can be overturned on appeal after the event based on a referee making an incorrect call during the game.
Under section 5 of FIFAs laws of the game, the decision of a referee after the completion of the game is final.
It would appear to me a dangerous precedent to set if after the event, the result of a game can be overturned.
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Post by directfk on Oct 2, 2017 16:25:31 GMT 10
I agree, it's done and dusted now. I must say that due to politics like everywhere else in life it doesn't necessarily mean the best referees are appointed to the bigger games. I'm not suggesting this is the case here but I have seen this happen. I find it hard to understand that both the referee and the assistant referee on the goal line did not know the rule.
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Post by Jolly_Roger on Oct 6, 2017 16:12:51 GMT 10
Well the final wash up of this is Central Coast Football overturned the result of the game. Umina won the game on a penalty shoot out, be it through a goal being incorrectly disallowed. The result was appealed by the losing club Woongarrah, and Central Coast Football agreed and overturned the match result. The issue has been blowing up big time on the coast. Central Coast Football have now removed all Facebook comment threads relating to the decision they made from their account. FIFAs Rule 5 is quite clear in relation to the decisions of the Referee. Central Coast Football have by laws in place that allow them to amend the result of a game due to an error in the games laws during the game. What a Pandora's box that is for them. Anyway read all about it in 442 www.fourfourtwo.com.au/analysis/when-is-the-refs-decision-final-474822
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Post by directfk on Oct 6, 2017 16:39:55 GMT 10
The decision was incorrect but being able to change results after any game is asking for trouble. Now that the entire central coast football community know this rule they have opened a whole new can of worms. They'll have a very busy administration next season.
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Post by bulldogbobby on Oct 6, 2017 17:30:07 GMT 10
Central Coast Football referred the appeal to Football NSW who appointed an independent barrister as Appeals Chairman. There are provisions in most Association By-Laws regarding protests based on an error of law by the referee (not the referee making an opinion based decision). There are precedents from FNSW, from the English FA and from FIFA who ordered a World Cup qualifier between Bahrain and Uzbekistan be replayed because the (Japanese) referee disallowed a penalty due to an infringement by the attacking side Uzbekistan, but instead of ordering the kick to be retaken, he awarded a free kick to Bahrain. Uzbekistan protested (even though they won the match 1-0), FIFA annulled the result and ordered a replay, which to Uzbekistan's detriment - was drawn. CCF maybe could've ordered a replay but the error by the referee did not occur in the normal course of the game, but during a penalty shoot out which is actually a method of determining the winner of a drawn match (exactly as a toss of the coin or drawing of lots is where the competition rules provide for such means). So technically they did not overturn the result of the game - which was still a draw - but they overturned the decision of who won the game, which should have been Woongarah had the error in law not been made by the referee. And for the record - I am not from Woongarah, Umina or Central Coast Football and have no personal interest in either club or the Central Coast 1st Division competition.
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Post by Jolly_Roger on Oct 7, 2017 8:24:08 GMT 10
It is interesting
I wouldn’t have thought though that an associations competitions rules and regulations could extend to reversing the outcome of a match due to a referee making an error in applying FIFAs rules of the game.
Requesting that a game be replayed sure, but overturning a match result is something entirely different because it is in contravention of Rule 5.
Competition rules and regulations should be used to compliment and supplement the rules of the game, not re-writing them I would think
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Post by directfk on Oct 7, 2017 11:53:23 GMT 10
Wait until next season when all and sundry start complaining. That'll be fun.
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Post by bulldogbobby on Oct 8, 2017 18:09:21 GMT 10
Wait until next season when all and sundry start complaining. That'll be fun. I don't think you quite understand.In over 50 years in the game at all levels from grassroots juniors to top semi professional as a player coach referee and administrator, I can only recall less than half a dozen times a referee has made an error of law (as opposed to a dodgy disputed decision which is in the opinion of the referee regardless of whatever amateur video is available). There was one when a player was allowed to take a second penalty in a shoot out before every player had taken one, another where the referee continued play after a goal was scored when the "golden goal" rule was in force and another when the ref declared the match over after a golden goal was scored when it wasn't applicable.
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Post by directfk on Oct 9, 2017 13:44:45 GMT 10
I understand. These incidents occur every season throughout NSW. They are not few and far between.
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