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Post by martintyler on Dec 18, 2015 6:01:56 GMT 10
There is a lack of quality coaches, particularly at the grass roots level. Associations should make it mandatory for all coaches to have completed a formal coaching qualification. I've seen under 15 rep teams that haven't developed beyond kick and chase. Please don't confuse 'rep' with 'elite'. We set the bar very low for the point where parents pay big dollars for tracksuits, snazzy sports bags and additional travel. IMHO the wasted millions on the World Cup bid could have been better utilised in grass roots coaching. Having said that, many of the 'new' coaches at grass roots club level in the younger age groups often do not come from a football background and have to be seriously coerced into attending even the most basic of coaching courses. Generally the better coaches at this level are parents of the better kids. When these kids join SAP programs it is often the case that the grass roots club also loses a decent coach as well.
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Post by dante on Dec 18, 2015 9:17:34 GMT 10
Martin, thanks for the reply.
I do not confuse 'rep' with the 'elite'. In reality there are no 'elite' players/coaches in Australia.
My information is that a limited number of Associations will be implementing policy whereby coaches MUST hold a formal qualification in order to coach.
Football is one of the few sports that don't already have these policies in place. If you want to coach League, Union, AFL, Baseball, Basketball, Netball you must hold a formal qualification.
In my experience alot of grassroots coaches mean well, but simply have no idea and their efforts are counterproductive. An increase in the number of quality coaches is vital to the growth of the game.
Cheers.
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Post by martintyler on Dec 18, 2015 10:18:56 GMT 10
It would be interesting to see how these Associations (with limited resources) enforce that policy. Firstly what level of coaching would constitute a 'formal qualification' and would they really instruct member clubs to turn players away if they didnt have enough coaches with formal qualifications? There have been similar moves in the past but clubs have got around this by allocating 'qualified coaches' to teams for reporting purposes but in essence the team is run by one less qualified.
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Post by dante on Dec 18, 2015 10:37:16 GMT 10
I agree Martin, enforcement of policy will be important.
That said, how do League, Union, AFL, Netball and so on enforce policy ?
The qualifications required will depend on the age group and level being coached.
Clubs already turn away players if they don't have enough to make up a team.
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Post by martintyler on Dec 18, 2015 10:41:30 GMT 10
I dont think that League, Union, AFL and Netball have the numbers of teams that football does in those younger age groups so finding coaches to 'get qualified' isn't as much of a problem plus League and AFL have money 'cascading down' from the top rather than the opposite situation we have.
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Post by dante on Dec 18, 2015 11:01:14 GMT 10
More teams, means more players = more parents = more potential coaches.
Clubs are printing money.
There is no reasonable excuse for any Football team in the Australia not to have a coach, holding at least a basic qualification.
A link between the quality of coaching, and development of youth is commonly accepted worldwide.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 18, 2015 11:11:58 GMT 10
It would be interesting to see how these Associations (with limited resources) enforce that policy. Firstly what level of coaching would constitute a 'formal qualification' and would they really instruct member clubs to turn players away if they didnt have enough coaches with formal qualifications? There have been similar moves in the past but clubs have got around this by allocating 'qualified coaches' to teams for reporting purposes but in essence the team is run by one less qualified. One northern associations offers coaching courses for free. Make it easy for people and they'll get qualified...no need for the big stick approach.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 18, 2015 11:14:53 GMT 10
I dont think that League, Union, AFL and Netball have the numbers of teams that football does in those younger age groups so finding coaches to 'get qualified' isn't as much of a problem plus League and AFL have money 'cascading down' from the top rather than the opposite situation we have. AFL, League, etc have no where near the numbers. Something which seems to get lost on the broader community. Not just in the early ages... How many over 45s are still playing League or AFL?
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Post by martintyler on Dec 18, 2015 11:15:22 GMT 10
More teams, means more players = more parents = more potential coaches. Clubs are printing money. There is no reasonable excuse for any Football team in the Australia not to have a coach, holding at least a basic qualification. A link between the quality of coaching, and development of youth is commonly accepted worldwide. Clubs are printing money? Grass Roots? Most of their monies go upstream !!
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Post by tarzan on Dec 18, 2015 11:17:52 GMT 10
More teams, means more players = more parents = more potential coaches. Clubs are printing money. There is no reasonable excuse for any Football team in the Australia not to have a coach, holding at least a basic qualification. A link between the quality of coaching, and development of youth is commonly accepted worldwide. Clubs are printing money? Grass Roots? Most of their monies go upstream !! Clubs are printing money? Really?
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Post by dante on Dec 18, 2015 11:26:47 GMT 10
YES, Clubs up here are printing money. Its boom times for the sport.
Im also aware of Associations that run the courses for free if you live within their boundaries. Its a model that should be adopted by ALL associations IMO.
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Post by martintyler on Dec 18, 2015 11:43:13 GMT 10
YES, Clubs up here are printing money. Its boom times for the sport. Im also aware of Associations that run the courses for free if you live within their boundaries. Its a model that should be adopted by ALL associations IMO. If this is indeed the case then perhaps you could enlighten us as to who these clubs are and what is their business model. I'd love to know what their registration charges are and what that includes. I amd sure that numerous clubs would be interested in ways to maximise income and provide better coaching with the proceeds.
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Post by kookaburra on Dec 18, 2015 13:34:15 GMT 10
dante,
Depending on the club and team, the parents and kids can be very demanding and critical. During my time I was 90% a manager and I've seen it all. Not all but some of the coaches I worked with were good but all have walked away now. A lot of people who can coach just walk away after a couple of years.
fiik,
Both !
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Post by dante on Dec 18, 2015 14:19:55 GMT 10
Kookaburra, A strong club keeps the parents and their children in line. If they aren't happy show them the gates.
Alot of parents believe their child is a superstar, they aren't, but nothing you say will change their minds.
Coaches need support from their clubs.
The minute 'soccer mums' start running the show, the clubs are dead.
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Post by tarzan on Dec 18, 2015 14:50:02 GMT 10
YES, Clubs up here are printing money. Its boom times for the sport. Im also aware of Associations that run the courses for free if you live within their boundaries. Its a model that should be adopted by ALL associations IMO. Im yet to see a clubs financials ( at grass roots or A-League....or EPL for that matter) that suggest they're printing money.
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