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Post by redyellowblack on Jul 24, 2014 11:25:40 GMT 10
Every local centre team I have seen at State Champs in the past 6 years has been smashed. I see the State Champs as a good preseason hit out for PL and SL teams. Also a good opportunity for SL teams to test themselves against PL teams and sometimes beat. But local centre teams? Where is the upside? There were clubs with SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year, where is the upside there by allowing those players to play, obviously they are not worthy or good enough according to your way of thinking Your view comes across as elite snobbery. Doesn't a small part of the local centre player registration payment go back to FNSW as an affiliation fee, if it does those teams and players have every right to enter. Finally, I vaguely recall, wasn't there a local centre boys team from the Gladesville area 3 or 4 years ago that left plenty of egg on the faces of over inflated egos from P/L and S/L clubs, in one of younger age groups cant exactly recall what name they played under but i'm pretty sure it happened. DL & Julio, I really would like my posts re-read. I am NOT against those grass roots teams playing at all. And yes there will be the odd occasion when there are upsets, and all kudos to those who do well. All I was acknowledging was that the structure that was proposed, including the State Cup, seemed to align with the outdoor structure, and thus would have made sense in that regard, and so FNSW shouldn't be hammered for that alone. But, all has ended well. The grass-roots teams will still get the opportunity to compete, and I hope they all do really well, and spread the Futsal word further and wider. As for community development, I agree that the SL and PL clubs should be made to add to the sport at that level in whatever way they can. At SSFA we are implementing a few initiatives in that direction, starting with the training 'academy' we are running over seven Sundays that have now been going for 5 weeks. As I noted in a PM reply to Julio, we have had about 20 or so 'new' kids come along and experience Futsal for the first time, at least on one of those Sunday's so far. And there are other things we are trying to do, including potentially taking over the running of the local Menai competitions etc...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 11:45:49 GMT 10
RYB,
I was only taking aim at jabrack's post questioning what's the point in having local centre teams competing at State titles, nothing you posted.
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Post by Julio on Jul 24, 2014 11:54:24 GMT 10
Every local centre team I have seen at State Champs in the past 6 years has been smashed. I see the State Champs as a good preseason hit out for PL and SL teams. Also a good opportunity for SL teams to test themselves against PL teams and sometimes beat. But local centre teams? Where is the upside? There were clubs with SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year, where is the upside there by allowing those players to play, obviously they are not worthy or good enough according to your way of thinking Your view comes across as elite snobbery. Doesn't a small part of the local centre player registration payment go back to FNSW as an affiliation fee, if it does those teams and players have every right to enter. Finally, I vaguely recall, wasn't there a local centre boys team from the Gladesville area 3 or 4 years ago that left plenty of egg on the faces of over inflated egos from P/L and S/L clubs, in one of younger age groups cant exactly recall what name they played under but i'm pretty sure it happened. That is exactly my point sunshine! Boilovers! We all know that SL & PL teams have also 'carried' players who were not selected on merit, some of whom were not of SL or PL standard- for SL/PL teams, THAT looks like 'a downside' to us! On another front, there used to be a plethora of futsal tournaments that parents could enter junior (& his/her mates)in which included: Fisher's Ghost Festival (Centennial Stadium, Minto), held in October, Regionals throughout the state on different weekends with top 2 teams selected to progress to State Titles. Players & parents loved to travel & compete in these- they were a hoot. Sometimes teams were entered in 2 or more regionals, so with doubling the chances of representing 2 regions when selected for State Titles.
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Post by jabrack on Jul 24, 2014 17:46:34 GMT 10
Every local centre team I have seen at State Champs in the past 6 years has been smashed. I see the State Champs as a good preseason hit out for PL and SL teams. Also a good opportunity for SL teams to test themselves against PL teams and sometimes beat. But local centre teams? Where is the upside? There were clubs with SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year, where is the upside there by allowing those players to play, obviously they are not worthy or good enough according to your way of thinking Your view comes across as elite snobbery. Doesn't a small part of the local centre player registration payment go back to FNSW as an affiliation fee, if it does those teams and players have every right to enter. Finally, I vaguely recall, wasn't there a local centre boys team from the Gladesville area 3 or 4 years ago that left plenty of egg on the faces of over inflated egos from P/L and S/L clubs, in one of younger age groups cant exactly recall what name they played under but i'm pretty sure it happened. Call it elite snobbery if you like TDL. There is a time and place for elite competitions and time and place for grass roots competitions. Seems FNSW have created a specific competition for grassroots local centres called the Futsal State Cup. As for the "SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year" I don't think some of them should have been in the comp last year. Some teams copped 20-30 goals week in week out. How does this benefit anyone? Its not about elitism, but rather effective ranking and fair competition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 17:57:46 GMT 10
There were clubs with SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year, where is the upside there by allowing those players to play, obviously they are not worthy or good enough according to your way of thinking Your view comes across as elite snobbery. Doesn't a small part of the local centre player registration payment go back to FNSW as an affiliation fee, if it does those teams and players have every right to enter. Finally, I vaguely recall, wasn't there a local centre boys team from the Gladesville area 3 or 4 years ago that left plenty of egg on the faces of over inflated egos from P/L and S/L clubs, in one of younger age groups cant exactly recall what name they played under but i'm pretty sure it happened. Call it elite snobbery if you like TDL. There is a time and place for elite competitions and time and place for grass roots competitions. Seems FNSW have created a specific competition for grassroots local centres called the Futsal State Cup. As for the "SL teams that got smashed in their own FNSW S/L competition last year" I don't think some of them should have been in the comp last year. Some teams copped 20-30 goals week in week out. How does this benefit anyone? Its not about elitism, but rather effective ranking and fair competition. FNSW by way of imposing an affiliation fee on the grass root centres automatically entitles their participants to entry of any FNSW administered competition. FNSW is not about anything other than getting as much $$$$ into their accounts and totally conlove of my lifeing all facets of the sport, elite level, club level and social level. If somebody can dead set tell me what are the benefits for a grass roots centre affiliating with FNSW, I'm all ears........................ FNSW see it as an avenue of additional $$$$$ and nothing more.
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Post by jabrack on Jul 24, 2014 19:47:47 GMT 10
I know next to nothing about what grassroots centres pay and what they get for it. Thats a topic for others to debate.
It does look like they get a separate State Futsal Cup to compete in (which is a great idea) and they are entitles to enter the State Championship.....I just don't think its prudent to do so.
Personally I wouldn't be bothered if they scrapped the State Championship. Its played on small courts, in a compressed timeframe, with spectators overflowing onto the courts. You also have stacked teams, unbalanced draws and variable refereeing. You have club officials stretched between centres and conflicting games. Teams play with substitute coaches or none at all. Its the wild west. I have seen teams win the State Champs and not even make the semi's during the regular season. Go figure.
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Post by luckyme on Jul 25, 2014 10:14:19 GMT 10
At just under 3K per club to enter all teams into the State Championships, you do the maths as to how much $$$$ FNSW stand to make!!!!
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Post by jabrack on Jul 25, 2014 10:30:52 GMT 10
At just under 3K per club to enter all teams into the State Championships, you do the maths as to how much $$$$ FNSW stand to make!!!! Not much. With court hire, referee fees, trophies and officials time don't see this as a big money spinner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 11:16:38 GMT 10
At just under 3K per club to enter all teams into the State Championships, you do the maths as to how much $$$$ FNSW stand to make!!!! Not much. With court hire, referee fees, trophies and officials time don't see this as a big money spinner. Please stop making me laugh
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Post by jabrack on Jul 25, 2014 13:01:13 GMT 10
Not much. With court hire, referee fees, trophies and officials time don't see this as a big money spinner. Please stop making me laugh Enlighten me then? Lets hear some facts?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 21:20:02 GMT 10
Please stop making me laugh Enlighten me then? Lets hear some facts? When the draws come out and if I can be bothered I must just put some figures together, but don't hold your breath on it happening. I would suggest that court hire might not be anywhere near as costly as one may think. I'd be amazed if there wasn't some sort of court hiring trade off/deal with the centres being used for State titles.
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Post by martintyler on Jul 26, 2014 8:12:37 GMT 10
So if the State Titles are restricted to PL and SL clubs, how are country based players expected to get selected for State teams? I assume that FFA are continuing to restrict the number of teams from each state at the Nationals again.
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Post by administration on Jul 26, 2014 9:42:43 GMT 10
9's, 10's & 11's mixed are saying there are no results or tables maintained for the comp and their entry is $150/team.
Are winners of each group still awarded something?
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Post by bigs on Jul 26, 2014 10:01:33 GMT 10
So if the State Titles are restricted to PL and SL clubs, how are country based players expected to get selected for State teams? I assume that FFA are continuing to restrict the number of teams from each state at the Nationals again. State titles aren't restricted to PL and SL clubs, anyone can enter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 11:44:49 GMT 10
So if the State Titles are restricted to PL and SL clubs, how are country based players expected to get selected for State teams? I assume that FFA are continuing to restrict the number of teams from each state at the Nationals again. State titles aren't restricted to PL and SL clubs, anyone can enter. My goodness, heaven forbid even the rif raf can enter. We'll the elite snobs won't like that
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