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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Oct 15, 2011 0:02:54 GMT 10
A ball that crosses the goal line without first crossing either of the two 'sidelines' is deemed not to have left the PA and a retake will result. What do you based that on? (emphasis mine) Note that there is no reference to which side of the penalty area. PS: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out an inconstancy in the laws of the game.
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Post by martintyler on Oct 15, 2011 6:04:25 GMT 10
Is it feasible that given the windy circumstances, the referee wasn't in a good position to see whether the ball had actually left the penalty area or not and he just took the safe option?
Anyway, I am sure there are much more contentious refereeing decisions to discuss !!
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Post by artie on Oct 15, 2011 6:07:34 GMT 10
A ball that crosses the goal line without first crossing either of the two 'sidelines' is deemed not to have left the PA and a retake will result. What do you based that on? (emphasis mine) Note that there is no reference to which side of the penalty area. PS: I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just pointing out an inconstancy in the laws of the game. Correct There is on 3 sides to the penalty area but of course we all took it as the ball going into play and not out of play over the goal line
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Post by ballboy on Oct 16, 2011 21:23:10 GMT 10
FIFA Q&A 2006.
4. A player takes a goal kick and the ball passes over the goal line without having passed out of the penalty area. What action does the referee take? The goal kick is retaken.
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Post by artie on Oct 17, 2011 16:33:51 GMT 10
FIFA Q&A 2006. 4. A player takes a goal kick and the ball passes over the goal line without having passed out of the penalty area. What action does the referee take? The goal kick is retaken. Very good
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Oct 17, 2011 23:55:28 GMT 10
FIFA Q&A 2006. 4. A player takes a goal kick and the ball passes over the goal line without having passed out of the penalty area. What action does the referee take? The goal kick is retaken. I have no problem about the restart. We can all agree on that. Having pointed out the inconstancy in the current laws of the game, there is one in the FIFA Q&A 2006 as well. "the ball passes over the goal line without having passed out of the penalty area" This is impossible to happen given the definition in LAW 1. I.e., if the ball passes over the goal line it then by definition has passed out of the penalty area.
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Post by ballboy on Oct 18, 2011 12:08:11 GMT 10
Law 9 states:
The ball is out of play when: • it has wholly crossed the goal line or touch line whether on the ground or in the air.
Therefore it can't be in play if it passes over the goal line. It isn't in play until it leaves the Penalty Area. Which in this case it hasn't, as it has gone from being 'not in play' to 'out of play'. The game can't be restarted until the ball is 'back in play'. Therefore a retake is the only option. IMHO
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Post by fiik on Oct 18, 2011 12:50:29 GMT 10
Have a scrum
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Post by (•̃_•̃) the ball on Oct 18, 2011 13:22:00 GMT 10
ballboy,
I probably am not good on making my point clear.
I agree that it should be a retaken if it is kicked directly into the goal and it is the only option. But i'm pointing out an inconstancy in the LOTG.
You say "it can't be in play if it passes over the goal line" according to Law 9.
I say it can according to Law 16 which sates: "The ball is in play when it is kicked directly out of the penalty area" (goal line is a boundary of the penalty area).
Once again, yes I know it is not in play but law 16 says it is. It can't be both in play and out of play at the same time. Hence the inconsistency.
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Post by canary on Oct 18, 2011 15:31:18 GMT 10
Yes the ball is out of play when it goes over the goal line.
But it was never in play.
So the kick must be retaken.
For the ball to become in play it must pass over the line boardering the penalty area.
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Post by artie on Oct 18, 2011 20:22:25 GMT 10
Yes the ball is out of play when it goes over the goal line. But it was never in play. So the kick must be retaken. For the ball to become in play it must pass over the line boardering the penalty area. It did the wind blew it back remember ;D ;D
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Post by canary on Oct 18, 2011 21:40:42 GMT 10
Yes the ball is out of play when it goes over the goal line. But it was never in play. So the kick must be retaken. For the ball to become in play it must pass over the line boardering the penalty area. It did the wind blew it back remember ;D ;D I was talking about the scenario that the symbol was querying.
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