jabrack
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Post by jabrack on Jan 14, 2015 22:17:58 GMT 10
Actually I think coaching a Thunder team is hard. Your expected to win and you often have to deal with the egos of the superstars (and their parents). The Thunder coach has to work hard to get the players to play the way he want. On the other hand the Lightning team may or may not be the best players, but everyone is 200% committed to doing whatever is needed from the coach to beat Thunder. In my sons age group Lightning has beaten Thunder 3 out of the past 5 years. "Egos of the superstars"? Big fish in a very small pond! Well the futsal world maybe a small pond, but there are many kids who play or have played who have made it at the top level of outdoor. My son is 20 and he can just about select a full team on FIFA from players he played with our against in futsal.
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Post by bigs on Jan 18, 2015 16:31:00 GMT 10
I rarely see complacency in a Thunder v Lightning game, they are usually the hardest fought games of the week. As for aggrieved coaches who missed out, there was one who kept showing up at Windsor to watch the age group he had wanted to coach.
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Post by wheelbarrow on Jan 18, 2015 22:49:08 GMT 10
I rarely see complacency in a Thunder v Lightning game, they are usually the hardest fought games of the week. As for aggrieved coaches who missed out, there was one who kept showing up at Windsor to watch the age group he had wanted to coach. That tells you something about the national competition. We need to start developing a hatred towards Qld and Victoria. (State of origin style) Unfortunately we are so far advanced in most age groups we feel pity on them. Yes - they can be very competitive - Lightning try harder to try to prove a point against Thunder.
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Post by bigs on Jan 19, 2015 20:58:55 GMT 10
I rarely see complacency in a Thunder v Lightning game, they are usually the hardest fought games of the week. As for aggrieved coaches who missed out, there was one who kept showing up at Windsor to watch the age group he had wanted to coach. That tells you something about the national competition. We need to start developing a hatred towards Qld and Victoria. (State of origin style) Unfortunately we are so far advanced in most age groups we feel pity on them. Yes - they can be very competitive - Lightning try harder to try to prove a point against Thunder. I would say this year in some of the boys age groups there were some good grudge matches with Queensland after they won a few of the finals last year but I agree in general that we're a bit too far in front of the rest for there to be that hatred. The NSW girls need to play up an age group to get a challenge. It is up to the other states to narrow the gap though. Queensland have improved in the boys and Victoria did better this year as well so hopefully they can provide more rivalries in a number of age groups in the future.
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Post by sop on Jan 20, 2015 6:32:39 GMT 10
NSW Thunder Teams should play up an age group throughout all the boys & girls age groups. Perfect example this year was the U14B Thunder who played in the semi's & was only eliminated on penalties in the 15s age group. What better development than this they would of learnt a lot more this year than winning nearly every game by 10
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Post by redyellowblack on Jan 20, 2015 7:22:08 GMT 10
NSW Thunder Teams should play up an age group throughout all the boys & girls age groups. Perfect example this year was the U14B Thunder who played in the semi's & was only eliminated on penalties in the 15s age group. What better development than this they would of learnt a lot more this year than winning nearly every game by 10 Sensible idea, though could be tough on some of the girls as they only play 12s 14s 16s so the 12s would be playing in the 14s and the 14s in the 16s. In effect they could be potentially playing against girls almost 3 years older depending on what part of the year they are born. Maybe mix the 12s girl Thunder with the 14s girl Lightning (which is in fact the 13s) and form 2 sides from that...maybe that could work.
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Post by martintyler on Jan 20, 2015 8:22:51 GMT 10
I don't think we should start messing about again with Girls Age groups and NSW teams playing out of their age groups; it smacks of arrogance. In the 16s this year ACT and QLD were very competitive and from past experience coaching and watching, other states have been competitive in other age groups too but perhaps without the consistency from year to year.
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Post by Rob V. on Jan 20, 2015 8:40:03 GMT 10
Instead of pushing our kids up let's work towards making the other states more competitive overall, starting with some decent coach education otherwise the players will NEVER improve...
In the midst of keeping an eye out for players for future Futsalroos camps I just could not help notice that even the most talented individuals had a remarkable lack of grasp of basic futsal fundamentals, both technically and tactically...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 8:55:28 GMT 10
Ever thought the other states don't want to travel every year to Canberra or now Sydney.
A fair and equitable solution would be to share the state around that hosts it, then lets see how strong the others and NSW are.
Perhaps then some of the Thunder Cardboard Cut Outs will become extinct and the real coaches step up...
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Post by bigs on Jan 20, 2015 9:06:25 GMT 10
My point was that the other states need to improve rather than continually bumping up the NSW kids and I agree with martin that there is an element of arrogance in having so many play up. I don't know enough about the 16 girls ACT and Qld teams but it may have helped them that most of the NSW 16 year olds were playing youth or 23s so they were more competitive playing against the 15 year olds. I do think that the current mindset of moving entire teams up an age should be stopped, maybe exceptional individuals can be moved up but whole teams is a bit too much. If they want to challenge the kids and really develop them, I would rather they do a lot more than the 5-6 training sessions the state teams currently get. Maybe then they can properly learn the techniques and tactics voiceofreason says is lacking.
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Post by Rob V. on Jan 20, 2015 9:19:44 GMT 10
Bigs it should not be up to state or national team coaches to be teaching the basics! It is the responsibility of the club coaches... sadly a lot of them are not equipped to do so; it is not necessarily all their fault, they need teaching, equipping and mentoring themselves; that, and the standard of refereeing in general, are the two biggest things holding the sport back (IMO)
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Post by angelbeaverhausen on Jan 20, 2015 10:31:00 GMT 10
NSW Thunder Teams should play up an age group throughout all the boys & girls age groups. Perfect example this year was the U14B Thunder who played in the semi's & was only eliminated on penalties in the 15s age group. What better development than this they would of learnt a lot more this year than winning nearly every game by 10 Sensible idea, though could be tough on some of the girls as they only play 12s 14s 16s so the 12s would be playing in the 14s and the 14s in the 16s. In effect they could be potentially playing against girls almost 3 years older depending on what part of the year they are born. Maybe mix the 12s girl Thunder with the 14s girl Lightning (which is in fact the 13s) and form 2 sides from that...maybe that could work. I agree with the mixing of the age groups. I remember one year this is how Lightning beat Thunder. Plus the lightning team were 2 players down.
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Post by bigs on Jan 20, 2015 11:26:02 GMT 10
Bigs it should not be up to state or national team coaches to be teaching the basics! It is the responsibility of the club coaches... sadly a lot of them are not equipped to do so; it is not necessarily all their fault, they need teaching, equipping and mentoring themselves; that, and the standard of refereeing in general, are the two biggest things holding the sport back (IMO) I agree that the clubs are responsible for the development of the fundamentals but I also think FNSW could be doing a lot more with their program. Let me put it like this, players were identified to trial at state titles in early October, the trials weren't held until early November and there was then a 3 week gap to the second trial. The teams then didn't start training until mid December. With a more condensed schedule for the identification and trials there could have easily been an extra 6 weeks of training and if you add that up over a few years by the time a player is 15/16 they could have had a full season's worth of extra training.
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Post by wheelbarrow on Jan 20, 2015 11:31:47 GMT 10
Bigs it should not be up to state or national team coaches to be teaching the basics! It is the responsibility of the club coaches... sadly a lot of them are not equipped to do so; it is not necessarily all their fault, they need teaching, equipping and mentoring themselves; that, and the standard of refereeing in general, are the two biggest things holding the sport back (IMO) I tend to agree with VOR. My observations though are from a person that had zilch qualifications in coaching any form of football. It is obvious to see though that many of the coaches in our elite competitions (PL & SL) have limited knowledge to effectively coach futsal. There are a load out there that use outdoor drills and strategies that do not help the development or growth of the game for less able players in the elite competitions. These coaches have been very successful in outdoor but at futsal - well less said the better. Some clubs are far more proactive than others with their development and appointment of appropriate coaches. In regards to DLs cardboard cutouts - yes they can do all right and they are out there- but in my kid's experiences in the past they have had some very good practitioners at thunder and lightning level that have built their skills and knowledge of the game and have been more than cardboard cut outs.
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