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Post by goodgame on May 20, 2010 13:11:10 GMT 10
Hi as a parent I am confused about which country provides the better opportunties for Aussie boys to trail, and also at what age.
I have been told in the past that Greece has prospects? does anyone know of any child that has been signed there and at waht level?
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Post by soccerrules on May 20, 2010 13:58:01 GMT 10
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Post by lurker on May 20, 2010 14:48:58 GMT 10
Soccerrules, You answered your own question. Anyone with any fees involving taking youth overseas for trials is questionable at the very least. Some of the major clubs encourage people to dob in these characters as they cringe at the thought of individuals making profits out of false hopes and promises made to kids.
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Post by pops on May 20, 2010 15:50:30 GMT 10
Andy... really, it has been my experience that clubs couldn't care less how you get there, especially if they are not paying. The only concern they have is that the kid can play, they will not let any Tom, loves or Javier come in to trial, they usually have established contacts whom they trust to bring in the type of quality they are looking for, whether the parents are paying for the trip over or not.
The truth of the matter is that most people wouldn't have the first clue about getting a trial at professional clubs and that also goes for the people who live in those countries.
I'm not sure about Greece, however there are a few horror stories of players who have joined the lower Greek teams and have been left out of pocket. I guess the top Greek clubs may be ok.
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Post by pops on May 20, 2010 15:59:54 GMT 10
Where does Dusan Purac send you?
That website doesn't work.
I don't know any clubs that cringe because a person is being charged, in fact clubs like Liverpool, Everton, Man City, Blackburn can in some cases themselves pay the person who brings in talented players they sign a spotters fee.
What usually happens there, is that the person who organises the trial usually thru a scout allows that money to go to the scout as a goodwill gesture and therefore continues the association between tour organiser/scout/club.
It is a win/win for all 3.
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Post by soccerrules on May 20, 2010 16:11:46 GMT 10
That is odd it was working for days now not. www.dusanpurac.com/ is the same now. Wow that got him disconnected quick. The coutry is Serbia this time but he states scouts from many countries will be there. Unless he can name the clubs and the scouts we will ot be going any further.
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Post by pops on May 20, 2010 16:29:08 GMT 10
That doesn't work either???
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2010 16:35:05 GMT 10
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Post by pops on May 20, 2010 16:40:53 GMT 10
I have a better idea for you, later this year there will be 3 scouts coming over to Aus from Liverpool, Blacburn and Man city, the cost don't quote me, but i think it is around $55.00, that will give you the opportunity to trial in front of these 3. There will be at least 3 genuine experience tours to the UK to be given away (inc flights, accomodation and a car to use) where you will get the chance to train at pro clubs.
On top of this any player/s selected by the scouts will receive an all expenses paid 4-6 week trial period at that selected club.
I will have to do a little more digging to see the exact website/ contacts, it was on facebook under FootballTrials.
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Post by lurker on May 20, 2010 16:46:45 GMT 10
Pops, i agree that clubsshould pay scouts to bring in good players. The parents should not have to pay the scout anything over the cost of the flights and any expenses. That's what I was referring too. On the Chelsea website last year they were cracking down on fraudulent people promising players trials for a certain payment. Chelsea were quick to point out that they do not condone any coach or so called scout promising any player a trial where there was a fee attached, and by fee, I'm not referring to out of pocket expenses but a profit that the scout or coach charges extra for a trial. As you pointed out, the clubs will pay the genuine scouts.
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Post by pops on May 20, 2010 17:03:20 GMT 10
Yes but you are talking about Chelsea, who have a youth team (starting 11) that they paid 12 million pounds for, it's all good for them to take the moral high ground as they have the best players breaking their necks to get there, other clubs do not have that luxury and it is quite a common thing for organisers to charge a fee to organise trials at pro clubs. This is a service the organiser provides, one which wouldn't be available to the player otherwise, especially if you are in Australia.
No one, including Chelsea do anything for nothing.
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Post by nb on May 21, 2010 19:31:39 GMT 10
U19s etc: Winning start for Brad
Newcastle reserve midfielder Brad Inman was part of the Scotland U19 side who got their European Championship Elite Round games off to the best possible start on Wednesday - registering a 4-0 win over Montenegro.
Next up for the Scots is a meeting with Belgium on Friday, followed by Monday's game against host nation Croatia. They beat Belgium 2-1 in Wednesday's other fixture.
Inman is one of four young Magpies in U19 action over the coming days, with Northern Ireland duo Shane Ferguson and Patrick McLaughlin plus England's Ryan Donaldson also lining up for their countries.
At stake is a place in this July's finals, with Portugal and Spain having already qualified. They will be joined by the five other group winners plus host nation France.
In the run up to this week's U19 international matches, the Scottish Sun profiled Brad (pictured):
He's the Premier League -bound Aussie who's nicknamed Kaka and playing for Scotland.
The Tartan Army might have missed out on James McCarthy & Aiden McGeady through family ties.
But now Scotland could benefit from the ruling with Newcastle's Adelaide-born starlet Brad Inman in his second year playing for Billy Stark's Under-19s.
He could yet turn his back on Scotland, who he qualifies for thanks to Glaswegian mum Lorraine. Australia have been circling and the midfielder snubbed a call-up to their Under-20s squad last year.
But they are sure to be back, with England also an option thanks to dad Dave. Inman, 18, insists he's only got eyes for Scotland right now and said: "I haven't thought about whether I want to commit to Scotland long-term yet.
"I was called up by Australia for an Under-20 training camp last year, but decided not to go. I went away with Scotland's Under-19s instead.
Maybe if I was called up for Scotland or Australia's Under-21 side I'd have a big decision to make - but I'm leaning more towards Scotland at the moment. They have treated me well and I enjoy coming away with them and that will be a factor.
"I feel Scottish because I come up quite a bit to see the family. Growing up in Australia I was always aware of my Scottish roots and with Dad being English I always felt British.
"Mum's really proud because she wanted me to play for Scotland. She likes Celtic and was chuffed when I chose to play for the Under-19s.
"She moved over from Australia to Newcastle with me for the first six months when I signed then Dad and the rest of the family came over later.
Inman has made rapid progress since uprooting to Newcastle at just 14. He shone this term and his 15 goals from midfield saw him land the coveted 'Wor Jackie' award for the most promising stiffs player.
He's been tipped for a first-team breakthrough as the Toon Army prepare for life back in the top flight.
But he laughed off mention of the Brazilian superstar he has been compared to. Inman added: "It's true in training one day someone started calling me Kaka but it's a bit stupid. It's far too much for me to live up to!
"Some of the reserves call me it and the Newcastle Under-18 manager was quoted saying it on the club website. Of course, Kaka's someone I look up to. I watch him playing for Real Madrid and he's one of the great players.
"It's been a great season for me. The Under-18s reached the semis of the FA Youth Cup and I've played a lot for the reserves. I even got on the bench for the first team in a Carling Cup game. Hopefully next season I can push on more.
"The gaffer Chris Hughton and first-team coach Colin Calderwood want to involve me in pre-season friendlies to see if I can handle the step up.
"There's been a buzz around the whole city this season with us getting promoted. There's been talk of Newcastle down-sizing and not spending as much money. Maybe that will help me break into the first team."
Magpies 'keeper Tim Krul was an unused substitute for Holland U21s on Tuesday, as they lost 1-3 to host side Portugal in a friendly staged in Vila Real San Antonio. The two sides will meet again in Parchal this Friday.
Other Newcastle call-ups:
Shane Ferguson/Patrick McLaughlin (Northern Ireland U19s): Fri 21.05.2010 Russia (a) Sun 23.05.2010 Italy (n) Wed 26.05.2010 Czech Republic (n)
Ryan Donaldson (England U19s): Wed 26.05.2010 Republic of Ireland (n) Fri 28.05.2010 Bosnia-Herzegovina (n) Mon 31.05.2010 Ukraine (a)
Jonas Gutierrez (Argentina): Mon 24.05.2010 Canada (h)
Leon Best (Republic of Ireland): Tue 25.05.2010 Paraguay (h) Fri 28.05.2010 Algeria (h) (both played at Dublin RDS).
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Post by upyounose on May 26, 2010 14:57:47 GMT 10
why is this here nb
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Post by footbol11 on Jun 10, 2010 0:20:44 GMT 10
hey I'm not a big Han Berger fan but I have to agree with him that by keeping a player in his "own" environment most times helps his development - he used Tommy Oar as his example and I guess what he was saying was "CREAM ALWAYS RISES TO THE TOP" - taking your boy overseas is a great experience but will it ultimately make him a better player with some advantage over local boys? Possibly but Tommy Oar is the FFA's model for boys staying here and developing. As we are all aware it is a costly exercise and there are NO guarantees that success will follow - may be worth getting Academy Coaching here with IQ Football together with Club Football to keep up your time on the ball and give it your all here in Aust. before heading o/s ![;)](http://i702.photobucket.com/albums/ww24/nswyouthfootball/stirthepot-1.gif) Interested to hear points of view on this!
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Post by pops on Jun 10, 2010 2:45:44 GMT 10
So Tommy Oar is one out of how many, not a very good success ratio now is it?
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