LetsPlay
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Post by LetsPlay on Oct 12, 2018 12:13:50 GMT 10
Following on from Sherlock's thought provoking post, there has been something i have been thinking about and wanted to hear other peoples opinions on this.
Being exposed to only a less than a handful of clubs here in western sydney, initially through the SAP system and now early NPL1 youth system. I have been part of some of the bigger ethnic based clubs here and now with a more 'anglosized' club it has disturbed me on the amount of interference and obstruction that parents have had with clubs, things such as how training should be run, kids positions on the field and just general day to day running of the clubs.
I will give an example, especially around this time of year this must be prevalent at alot of places. Over the past few weeks it has really frustrated me on some of the conversations that i have been hearing, parents giving opinions on who should be retained at clubs, kids they believe shouldn't be in the system and criticising kids that the club have kept on in lieu of the kids that have been let go. The conversations have even been about youth coaches calling parents for their opinion on whether a kid should be asked to stay on or leave. These are parents who have no qualifications or background in the game but for some reason have some sort of influence or a respected opinion due to the amount of time they have spent there ...... or poured money into it.
Coming from a more ethnic based club, this was standard and was one of the main drivers on why i decided to get my boy and move on to a more 'anglosized' club but its just as bad or if not worse here.
We keep talking about curriculum here and deficiencies in our system with regard to the quality of play and coaching, in my opinion this is more of critical issue and one that needs to be stamped out of the game quickly, how this can be done, i dont know but this can be eliminated by it has to be and quick.
As i mentioned, i have only been involved with a few clubs and i am not sure if this is an issue within my area or is it something that happens all around the place? what is it like at the club you coach or have a kid involved with?
Is there any people here that have been part of the junior / youth process in europe with their kid for any amount of time? what is it like there, do parents have as much of a say in the running of a club or selection of teams as it seems like they have here?
Really interested in opinions on how its like in other clubs around town.
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Post by alpha on Oct 12, 2018 13:11:07 GMT 10
Following on from Sherlock's thought provoking post, there has been something i have been thinking about and wanted to hear other peoples opinions on this. Being exposed to only a less than a handful of clubs here in western sydney, initially through the SAP system and now early NPL1 youth system. I have been part of some of the bigger ethnic based clubs here and now with a more 'anglosized' club it has disturbed me on the amount of interference and obstruction that parents have had with clubs, things such as how training should be run, kids positions on the field and just general day to day running of the clubs. I will give an example, especially around this time of year this must be prevalent at alot of places. Over the past few weeks it has really frustrated me on some of the conversations that i have been hearing, parents giving opinions on who should be retained at clubs, kids they believe shouldn't be in the system and criticising kids that the club have kept on in lieu of the kids that have been let go. The conversations have even been about youth coaches calling parents for their opinion on whether a kid should be asked to stay on or leave. These are parents who have no qualifications or background in the game but for some reason have some sort of influence or a respected opinion due to the amount of time they have spent there ...... or poured money into it. Coming from a more ethnic based club, this was standard and was one of the main drivers on why i decided to get my boy and move on to a more 'anglosized' club but its just as bad or if not worse here. We keep talking about curriculum here and deficiencies in our system with regard to the quality of play and coaching, in my opinion this is more of critical issue and one that needs to be stamped out of the game quickly, how this can be done, i dont know but this can be eliminated by it has to be and quick. As i mentioned, i have only been involved with a few clubs and i am not sure if this is an issue within my area or is it something that happens all around the place? what is it like at the club you coach or have a kid involved with? Is there any people here that have been part of the junior / youth process in europe with their kid for any amount of time? what is it like there, do parents have as much of a say in the running of a club or selection of teams as it seems like they have here? Really interested in opinions on how its like in other clubs around town. Get used to it Im afraid to say. I have heard parents are not allowed at training sessions in Europe. I did hear on the news during the week at gymnastics at Institute of Sport. Parents excluded from training and they are revolting because kids being "mistreated".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 14:26:44 GMT 10
the simple answer is... we pay rego, so just like paying for a product/service, the consumer has power or expectation. Take away the fees, the power reverses and clubs can exercise more objectivity when releasing players.
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Post by directfk on Oct 12, 2018 15:19:59 GMT 10
This happens in every sport. The parents of today are very demanding. It may have been the same years ago but not as obvious. These days money has taken control and people want " value " but I'm afraid all the money and training in the world won't make a difference if the child hasn't got the knack for the game. I've had a few run ins with parents and every club has got it's " special " people who have no problem in criticising any young player or coach if it can help their child get selected in the first 11. 90% of these type of parents have one thing in common and that is advising everyone that " my son/daughter is a striker. not a full back or midfielder " There is a direct connection between a young so called gun striker and an obnoxious parent.
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Post by tarzan on Oct 12, 2018 16:22:49 GMT 10
Simply move to NT where parents are generally not that interested in some of the pettiness of kids sport...just a thought!😉
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Post by directfk on Oct 12, 2018 20:01:00 GMT 10
Good idea. No dramas, no bickering, no politicals, and no Jane.
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Post by grandmasterflash on Oct 13, 2018 16:59:16 GMT 10
My experience has been generally good personally where my kids are in southwest Sydney but totally agree with parents who think they are above others with their ill informed opinions on retained players. I have heard some parents give opinions and I have quickly shut them down if they’re talking about children negatively. My brother also has my nephew at a ‘less ethnic’ based club and he has mentioned that there are a lot of parents who feel they need to offer an opinion on everything Football from coaching to administration and openly tell other parents of this as well as saying how much they know of players being cut etc..and that they also have input in layers staying and going. As mentioned elsewhere I know firsthand in uk academies parents are not allowed in sessions and there is a grievance process if a parent needs to speak to TD and they’re never allowed to interact with coaches.
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Post by fiik on Oct 16, 2018 9:39:22 GMT 10
Get used to it Im afraid to say. I have heard parents are not allowed at training sessions in Europe. I did hear on the news during the week at gymnastics at Institute of Sport. Parents excluded from training and they are revolting because kids being "mistreated". Yes, some parents really are revolting
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Post by realdeal on Oct 16, 2018 22:59:07 GMT 10
The biggest issue in youth football here is the parents , fix that and you go a long way fixing the game 😄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 14:51:51 GMT 10
The biggest issue in youth football here is the parents , fix that and you go a long way fixing the game 😄 and clubs
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Post by directfk on Oct 17, 2018 15:03:33 GMT 10
For a start I'd make it compulsory for the teams ( all ages ) to line up before the game and shake hands and to shake hands after the game as well. Also make it compulsory to shake the official's hand as well. I do see some clubs that already do this but some are outright disrespectful. That is the fault of the club and coaches not the players. Good old fashion manners is a start.
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Post by keeper75 on Oct 18, 2018 8:54:20 GMT 10
For a start I'd make it compulsory for the teams ( all ages ) to line up before the game and shake hands and to shake hands after the game as well. Also make it compulsory to shake the official's hand as well. I do see some clubs that already do this but some are outright disrespectful. That is the fault of the club and coaches not the players. Good old fashion manners is a start. I agree. Some clubs do this well and even go the extra step of going over to shake the hand of the opposition coaches and managers before the game starts.
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Post by zip on Oct 18, 2018 11:45:32 GMT 10
Watch Sydney United next time you play them - they do it in all age groups. Fantastic to see.
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Post by grandmasterflash on Oct 18, 2018 12:40:12 GMT 10
Watch Sydney United next time you play them - they do it in all age groups. Fantastic to see. Kind of makes it redundant when come game time some parents and coaches carry on like its the World Cup. Your old TD was notorious for this foul behavior
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Post by tarzan on Oct 18, 2018 13:19:25 GMT 10
Priceless!
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