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Post by iswam on Jul 27, 2015 15:13:04 GMT 10
I've heard a club new to State League has fees fixed at $650. $650 is around the average price that most PL clubs charge. IWM, MM, ER and MV are all around that mark. Court hire for SL clubs shouldnt be more than $65.00 per hour as they are allowed to use small courts whilst PL club pay in most cases 120/130 p/h as they need to play on international size. $65 saving over 7 hours (rough length of a day with 9 matches) equates to $455 saving per home game. x by 6 home games thats $2730.00 that each SL will make in profit compared to a PL club if it also charges $650. Mind you Ive only added 6 home games in SL compared to 7 for PL. Plus ref fees are cheaper in SL.
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Post by passingwind on Jul 27, 2015 16:06:31 GMT 10
I've heard a club new to State League has fees fixed at $650. $650 is around the average price that most PL clubs charge. IWM, MM, ER and MV are all around that mark. Court hire for SL clubs shouldnt be more than $65.00 per hour as they are allowed to use small courts whilst PL club pay in most cases 120/130 p/h as they need to play on international size. $65 saving over 7 hours (rough length of a day with 9 matches) equates to $455 saving per home game. x by 6 home games thats $2730.00 that each SL will make in profit compared to a PL club if it also charges $650. Mind you Ive only added 6 home games in SL compared to 7 for PL. Plus ref fees are cheaper in SL. Last season most SL clubs played international size as well.
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Post by passingwind on Jul 27, 2015 17:54:19 GMT 10
Taipans court is an extra few metres wide.
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Post by mrgray on Jul 27, 2015 18:32:04 GMT 10
I've heard a club new to State League has fees fixed at $650. $650 is around the average price that most PL clubs charge. IWM, MM, ER and MV are all around that mark. Court hire for SL clubs shouldnt be more than $65.00 per hour as they are allowed to use small courts whilst PL club pay in most cases 120/130 p/h as they need to play on international size. $65 saving over 7 hours (rough length of a day with 9 matches) equates to $455 saving per home game. x by 6 home games thats $2730.00 that each SL will make in profit compared to a PL club if it also charges $650. Mind you Ive only added 6 home games in SL compared to 7 for PL. Plus ref fees are cheaper in SL. I have been at both premier league and super ( state) league and only difference I have noticed is there is no 3rd ref in state league so costs are maybe $500 -'$1000 less than premier league over a season,my year at state league no clubs played on a single basketball court so no sure about your theory. You also need to bear in mind Iswam.... Player numbers in premier league are much higher than super league.... Lot of super league clubs had teams doubling up so fees had to be put higher to break even. I still don't understand $650 but your argument premier league costs more is a petty excuse
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Post by mrgray on Jul 27, 2015 18:33:11 GMT 10
Rangers FC Futsal $550 junior $330 senior for the season. Includes training, games, rego, insurance, referee fees and kit. Does not include State Titles entry fee. Cheap as chips. Expensive chips
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Post by tarzan on Jul 27, 2015 21:40:44 GMT 10
I believe some clubs dont pay coaches...thats gotta help lower the costs. May not do much for the quality of coaching though.
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Post by iswam on Jul 27, 2015 23:13:54 GMT 10
$650 is around the average price that most PL clubs charge. IWM, MM, ER and MV are all around that mark. Court hire for SL clubs shouldnt be more than $65.00 per hour as they are allowed to use small courts whilst PL club pay in most cases 120/130 p/h as they need to play on international size. $65 saving over 7 hours (rough length of a day with 9 matches) equates to $455 saving per home game. x by 6 home games thats $2730.00 that each SL will make in profit compared to a PL club if it also charges $650. Mind you Ive only added 6 home games in SL compared to 7 for PL. Plus ref fees are cheaper in SL. I have been at both premier league and super ( state) league and only difference I have noticed is there is no 3rd ref in state league so costs are maybe $500 -'$1000 less than premier league over a season,my year at state league no clubs played on a single basketball court so no sure about your theory. You also need to bear in mind Iswam.... Player numbers in premier league are much higher than super league.... Lot of super league clubs had teams doubling up so fees had to be put higher to break even. I still don't understand $650 but your argument premier league costs more is a petty excuse Firstly I didnt say that all Super League clubs use small courts. I said they are allowed to use small courts and that it couldve been a difference in price. Ill explain it in simpler terms for you - Use Futsal Institute as an example which 2 clubs will be using for SL games this season. They will hire 1 court which is biiger than a basketball size court no doubt and pay $70 for it per hour. I use VSP which in its full size takes up 2 courts. I dont pay $70 an hour i pay $140 an hour as it uses 2 courts. Quake have the same luxury as their FI counterparts. Their "international size court" uses the line markings for 1 field therefore only pay 1/3 of what I pay. So sizes of courts play amassive aprt in costs. When I used Marrickville PCYC a number of years ago I was paying $180 an hour as the idiots marking the courts took up 3 courts for the International size court and I had to pay for 3 courts. A petty excuse.... well some SL clubs dont train AT ALL and some PL clubs train twice a week.... ALL Super league clubs train on small courts whilst some if not all PL club TRAIN on DOUBLE SIZE COURTS.... Yeah your totally right Mr gray... PL clubs have more players therefore making more money in registrations. But it also means that we pay more for training court hire, more for gear, more for registrations, more for state titles entry fees more in coaches costs need I go on..... In the end personally I dont care what any other PL clubs or other SL clubs charge. I know what it costs my club and thats the fee that I need to chargeto cover expenses for the season. I couldve charged more to have money for next seasons F league which costs in excess of 30k to compete in but we didnt and will charge the senior players and try to find extra sponsors like we did this season.....
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Post by mrgray on Jul 28, 2015 9:21:46 GMT 10
You clearly stated all SL clubs "shouldn't" pay more than $65 hr as they are allowed smaller courts..... It's not about what they are allowed its what they can use.... It's no secret there are a shortage of venues so you take what you can. Your comment is in response to new club charging $650 rego, what do you know about the new club? Do you know if they will be training, court size, gear needs to be ordered now before their trials so still have to order minimum 100. You were quick to point out PL cost more when comment was made about SL. Did you also want a pat on back for not charging your juniors for F League?..... Why would you even consider it if it's 2 different competitions and should not be merged. Whatever clubs charge is up to them, everyone obviously has different costs, this was discussed a while back and everyone agreed everyone has different costs. Some clubs use cheaper gear, some use cheaper venues, some train, some don't......only conclusion I could come up with is, if rego is $600 + then seniors don't pay or pay a lesser fee.... Good luck to them!
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Post by Cliche' on Jul 28, 2015 9:24:56 GMT 10
Pay peanuts get monkeys
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Post by iswam on Jul 28, 2015 10:01:57 GMT 10
You clearly stated all SL clubs "shouldn't" pay more than $65 hr as they are allowed smaller courts..... It's not about what they are allowed its what they can use.... It's no secret there are a shortage of venues so you take what you can. Your comment is in response to new club charging $650 rego, what do you know about the new club? Do you know if they will be training, court size, gear needs to be ordered now before their trials so still have to order minimum 100. You were quick to point out PL cost more when comment was made about SL. Did you also want a pat on back for not charging your juniors for F League?..... Why would you even consider it if it's 2 different competitions and should not be merged. Whatever clubs charge is up to them, everyone obviously has different costs, this was discussed a while back and everyone agreed everyone has different costs. Some clubs use cheaper gear, some use cheaper venues, some train, some don't......only conclusion I could come up with is, if rego is $600 + then seniors don't pay or pay a lesser fee.... Good luck to them! Ohhhh man!! $600/$650 is a price that most clubs will charge was my point if they are using International size courts. So for a SL to charge that amount isnt the issue. If they are playing on smaller courts they could charge less... Was my point. My carefactor to what people charge is not the issue. I was defending the club who was charging that amount and noting SL COULD charge less if they played on a small court which they are allowed to use. A pat on the back.... lol Why would we even consider it? Its one club. Premier League / F League is the same thing. Are u suggesting if you run a club and have money left over from the PL component a club shouldnt put it towards the F league component or vice versa to help? In the real world when funds are tight ALL clubs in Football and Futsal who have different departments use the money available. All Football clubs use the money they recieve from their juniors or youth league to fund their seniors. It is a fact and the reality of football/futsal in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 10:02:28 GMT 10
Can somebody tell me why referee's fees are different in PL to SL.
On a time basis both play the same don't they or is it a case that FNSW Futsal Dept allocate the crraaappp or inexperience to SL.
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Post by iswam on Jul 28, 2015 10:19:57 GMT 10
The blind referees go to PL, the blinder referees go to PL2 and the blindest referees go to SL. I know they are all blind and cant be blinder (fiik wouldve picked me up on that for sure) but you know what Im getting at :-)
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Post by tarzan on Jul 28, 2015 10:47:40 GMT 10
Can somebody tell me why referee's fees are different in PL to SL. On a time basis both play the same don't they or is it a case that FNSW Futsal Dept allocate the crraaappp or inexperience to SL. On that argument you could ask why are A-League refs paid higher than community football refs. The reasons are clear.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 11:50:17 GMT 10
Can somebody tell me why referee's fees are different in PL to SL. On a time basis both play the same don't they or is it a case that FNSW Futsal Dept allocate the crraaappp or inexperience to SL. On that argument you could ask why are A-League refs paid higher than community football refs. The reasons are clear. The difference between A League and park football is plenty. The difference between PL & SL is not. A better example might support your point, that one you tossed up doesn't.
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Post by tarzan on Jul 28, 2015 12:04:48 GMT 10
On that argument you could ask why are A-League refs paid higher than community football refs. The reasons are clear. The difference between A League and park football is plenty. The difference between PL & SL is not. A better example might support your point, that one you tossed up doesn't. Hence the difference between A-League and park football referees fees are plenty...and the difference in PL & SL referees fees are not.
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